Has anyone here changed your mind about something?

[randolph85]

Despite the back and forth bickering when it comes to politics, religion, and the like, it seems like people are inclined to never change their views. it is probably human nature and not exclusive to this forum or the internet that despite large threads here and back and forth exchanges, people will always hold on to their views no matter if they are right or wrong.

so i am thinking its rare when someone does in fact have a change of heart about something, so the question is has anyone here changed their views on a subject based on interactions on this forum?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Joining PF increased my hatred and disgust for secularists, nationalists and the so called free thinkers.

But really changing mu mind because PF? No. There are other forums where well informed people tackle your misconceptions with evidence. There i have learned allot.

Unfortunately, PF lacks good members. Most active members are not any better than me. They are either even less informed or they just rant and reproduce garbage from tv.

[Nazar]

PF has changed my perception about Afghans in the west. Now I can see all the Afghan youth in the western countries are not secularists or as we think here, unaware of Islam. I found out at PF that there actually more well knowledgeable Muslims in the western countries than most of us here in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I normally tend to back off from exclusive debates about religion and sometimes about politics on this forum, frankly, because I am not a well educated person (have only been to high school in Pak) and my English skill is not good enough to get my point across with it. So, I have never argued a lot with other forum members and therefore have never come across anyone who happened to have changed my mind with his/her opinion.

[Admin Khan]

My opinion about politics has changed a lot, I've learned a ton from folks like BA, tor_khan, torkham and other intelligent posters.

[HalloIsBack]

PF has changed my perception about Afghans in the west. Now I can see all the Afghan youth in the western countries are not secularists or as we think here, unaware of Islam. I found out at PF that there actually more well knowledgeable Muslims in the western countries than most of us here in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I normally tend to back off from exclusive debates about religion and sometimes about politics on this forum, frankly, because I am not a well educated person (have only been to high school in Pak) and my English skill is not good enough to get my point across with it. So, I have never argued a lot with other forum members and therefore have never come across anyone who happened to have changed my mind with his/her opinion.

well soemone deleted my post
but here again

believe me these users don't show here their true face

[Khostai]

I used to think that extreme wahabist and salafist had some human left in them, that they were just misguided, but now I know they are just evil peopel, there is nothing human left in them, maybe there was nothing human to begin with, they are just demons who spread hatred and distruction.

[Badlun]

Education is proper behavioral modification. PF is a great source of non formal or informal education if not formal education. One day it may emerge as an institution and can impart formal education too.

If we are not changed at all then our presence here is futile.Learning is change and if we do not learn then we are dead. I am changed a lot here as I have learnt so much. I feel myself more educated after joining PF. My mind is open and I accept new ideas and concepts. There is a paradigm shift in my religious thinking and political approach now.

I do not consider Islam to be a complete system of life but a complete religion only. I do not equate now Arab culture and society with Islam. Islam has nothing to do with politics and economy. I consider Pashtunwali a complete culture and societal system for Pashtuns. I am now more zealot of democracy, human rights and development for Pashtuns.

I consider prophet Muhammad only my prophet of religion not a guide for my complete life who cannot prohibit music, dance, shave, rule of women, covering the whole body of women and my food preferences that I can eat this and cannot eat that.

I cannot follow him in all his acts and words otherwise I have to marry children and having lots of wives and concubines. Yes he was a great Arab leader and I can learn war tactics, strategy etc from him but these are not my religious duties. I must follow him in my beliefs, worship modes and ethics but not in every thing. I do not believe in all his words or hadiths. He was a great man but all his words and acts are not divine.

All this happened after reading different posts in PF and doing my own research for PF.

[pllaybuoy]

I am disappointed from many members here.Closed minded fools and NO,you can't change their minds as I said closed minded fools and bigots(this does not go to everybody here) .How do you argue with somebody who is arguing with the intention of speaking and not listening `n understanding ? It's like I am just going to put my finger in my ear and chant LALALALALALALAL I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG HERRR

[Manzareh]

I consider prophet Muhammad only my prophet of religion not a guide for my complete life who cannot prohibit music, dance, shave, rule of women, covering the whole body of women and my food preferences that I can eat this and cannot eat that.

This is what we call an 'oxymoron' since the religion that Muhammad is your prophet for prohibits music, shave, what you can eat and what you cannot eat. Muhammad is not prohibiting you rather the Qur'an and Allah is prohibiting you. This means if you consider Muhammad pbuh as an ambassador for your religion you are contradicting your religion by eating haram and such. this proves your point is neither here and neither there does it not?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

This is what we call an 'oxymoron' since the religion that Muhammad is your prophet for prohibits music, shave, what you can eat and what you cannot eat. Muhammad is not prohibiting you rather the Qur'an and Allah is prohibiting you. This means if you consider Muhammad pbuh as an ambassador for your religion you are contradicting your religion by eating haram and such. this proves your point is neither here and neither there does it not?

Badlun disbelieves in Quran and thats why he is a kafir. Proof:

"Say: ‘Truly, my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. No partner has He: this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit to His Will.’" [Quran 6:162]

[Haris]

I've never had my mind changed as a direct result of interactions on this forum.
It's not because my views are all set in stone - I even once said:

Hmm, it's a tricky one.
Before I proceed, I want to note that my views are not set in stone. I am always open to changing my opinion on any matter if I see the logic in doing so.
That is why I made this thread in the first place, to hear your views, to see the merits of your arguments and use that to help make up my own mind on the topic.

The thing is, I have simply never engaged in a meaningful & educational discussion with anyone here (not including some extended debates through private messaging with one or two users) and in many cases, have no intention of trying to do so given what I know of many members.

That is not to say that I have not learned anything. I have learned plenty of things since I first joined, particularly with regards to Pashto language (about dialects other than my own...i.e. I never knew that people said 'zma' & 'sta') & Pashtuns across the border.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The whole purpose of a public forum is to have different people with contrasting views interacting.

One shouldnt desire changing peoples minds because thats not up to us. We can merely express our views to the best of our ability.

But in the last 3 years what I have seen is that hostilities between apostates and Muslims and hostilities between Pakistani nationalists and Afghan nationalists have dominated the forum.

People dont register to share their ideas with others. They treat this place like a battle ground.

[Admin Khan]

[MENTION=5381]Shamlawar Khurasani[/MENTION]
You are right, that's true for some members, but not all. If you look at our Kitabtoon, Pashto language, Pashtun culture, I can say I am proud of it. MashAllah, this month we have started getting 6,000 daily users per day. I think that's pretty incredible, and I thank you along with every member for that success. However, I recognize that we are an infant and have a lot of room for improvement. I'm learning from my mistakes, and generally it will take an effort from every member to improve the quality -- I am pleased with the board right now. For example, BA's Medical thread has been viewed 20,000 times. In my opinion, that is huge.

I can honestly say I've learned a ton, whether it be from you, BA, Darweshkhe, Yasmeenah, and a ton of others. I can be a bit tough on folks at time, so I apologize if I've ever offended anyone.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Kitabtoon is the only section i actually like in this entire forum. It beats most other websites hosting Pashto books.

[Badlun]

This is what we call an 'oxymoron' since the religion that Muhammad is your prophet for prohibits music, shave, what you can eat and what you cannot eat. Muhammad is not prohibiting you rather the Qur'an and Allah is prohibiting you. This means if you consider Muhammad pbuh as an ambassador for your religion you are contradicting your religion by eating haram and such. this proves your point is neither here and neither there does it not?

Can you please quote any verse of the holy Qur'an where shave, music, dance, photos, covering the whole body of women and except few dietary injunctions which has a context, prohibit what to eat and what not.

I read Qur'an with context and shane nazool. Many injunctions can be reinterpreted according to the modern times. For example I do not believe in polygamy or equating two women with one man in evidence and inheritance because these injunctions have other interpretations.

For example the verse of polygamy can be only applied in extreme cases and that only and only limited to orphans when they do not get husbands but not to all Muslims.
Read the verse with open eyes please.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 305)