HELP|Moving to the UK

[Nazar]

Salam,

I admit that I have posted this thread in the wrong place and would like to request the Admin to let this thread be here for a while. You can move it to it's related section later on. The reason behind this, is to make it seen by as much members as possible (Upon my guess, Hujra is the most frequently visited section of this forum ) because I so desperately need your responses.

The title tells you all. I am leaving Afghanistan for good (okay, may be not for good yet who knows, what if I got that red passport ) and would resettle in the UK, da khaira sara!. Please don't just bash me by saying; Oh no, we already got this country flooded with immigrants!

I have done some online research and things look to me pretty ugly in terms of finding jobs and making a living up there - specially for someone like me who doesn't have any skills at all.

Now, here comes my list of questions:

1) I would hate to live on Khairat which is called 'Benefits', so this isn't even remotely on my mind. I would like to know how much one gets by the end of the month if works in a restaurant/shop/factory or drives a taxi? I don't really expect myself to be sitting behind a desk in the office and asking for coffee.

2) Are there chances that you can both study and work at the same time - while feed your family too?

3) Are there many racist people up in England or Wales (it might be a silly question but I am just concerned or may be paranoid)?

4) I know there are lots of debates on TV about segregated communities in the UK and some call this an obstacle to non-whites being reintegrated into British society and culture. Yet, which city do you think I should choose to live in? I've heard London is expensive but has more job opportunities. I would like to know about a place where I can feel 'being home'. You know what I mean!

I actually had lots of questions in my head and they've just got off. Will came back with more questions if had these ones answered.

Cheers mate!

[Kushan Prince]

UK is not really the best place for immigration. Besides the racist whites, the weather is not that great (rains a lot in london) and people complain it is always cold.

If you want to immigrate, come try Canada or America because atleast those countries were made for immigration.

[Manzareh]

I guess it depends on what kind of stay you have, for example if you are coming as a student you may be restricted to work - although many people/immigrants do work illegally but the income is extremely low.

You seem like you have good English skills so it would increase your chances of finding work. There are odd racist strongholds about in england but i doubt you will ever need to visit those places. Just make some good Muslim friends and stick to the deen and you will feel at home, I wouldn't try and look for fellow afghans here because many have ruined the name for afghans through various disgusting behaviours, you might make life harder for yourself.

[یاسمینه]

Well, I lived there for a while... Good luck - that's what I can say. Luck is something you will need for sure. I wish you all the best
Try to contact Haris. As I remeber he was from the UK. He was a very balanced member. Also Friend (Emkhan) is a friendly person. I am sure you will have some support.

[یاسمینه]

UK is not really the best place for immigration. Besides the racist whites, the weather is not that great (rains a lot in london) and people complain it is always cold.

If you want to immigrate, come try Canada or America because atleast those countries were made for immigration.

You are right. UK is not the best place for immigrants. The good thing is that you can easily have access to medical care... it was like this few years ago.

[Manzareh]

I personally think its ok, F all the politics - work, make money practice Islam and that's that wherever you are. Stop complaining, sound like a bunch of soggy biscuits, humans are built to adapt.

Here's some tissues anyway

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[DaZahroJaam.]

don't let people discourage you before you even get there. people will tell you of their experiences based on how hard they have tried not how hard you will try. in foreign, if you have the will, there are lots and lots of opportunities. in the beginning it will be tough for a while but if you work hard consistently and stay focused on your goal, you will get very far ahead.
if you want to come here mainly for your studies, make that your priority. you can't make a fortune and pursue education at the same time but you can support yourself and study well at the same time. just 4 or 5 years of hard work will pay off well.

[Khostai]

Salam,

I admit that I have posted this thread in the wrong place and would like to request the Admin to let this thread be here for a while. You can move it to it's related section later on. The reason behind this, is to make it seen by as much members as possible (Upon my guess, Hujra is the most frequently visited section of this forum ) because I so desperately need your responses.

The title tells you all. I am leaving Afghanistan for good (okay, may be not for good yet who knows, what if I got that red passport ) and would resettle in the UK, da khaira sara!. Please don't just bash me by saying; Oh no, we already got this country flooded with immigrants!

I have done some online research and things look to me pretty ugly in terms of finding jobs and making a living up there - specially for someone like me who doesn't have any skills at all.

Now, here comes my list of questions:

1) I would hate to live on Khairat which is called 'Benefits', so this isn't even remotely on my mind. I would like to know how much one gets by the end of the month if works in a restaurant/shop/factory or drives a taxi? I don't really expect myself to be sitting behind a desk in the office and asking for coffee.

2) Are there chances that you can both study and work at the same time - while feed your family too?

3) Are there many racist people up in England or Wales (it might be a silly question but I am just concerned or may be paranoid)?

4) I know there are lots of debates on TV about segregated communities in the UK and some call this an obstacle to non-whites being reintegrated into British society and culture. Yet, which city do you think I should choose to live in? I've heard London is expensive but has more job opportunities. I would like to know about a place where I can feel 'being home'. You know what I mean!

I actually had lots of questions in my head and they've just got off. Will came back with more questions if had these ones answered.

Cheers mate!

1)I don't live in UK, but I guess its not that difrent from Belgium....
The thing here is that they only hire very young peopel for the restuarants and pubs becuase they are the cheapest, 16 year old earn something like 4-5 euros a hour, if you are older than 21years you will earn 9-11 euros a hour. But only if you have expirience in restaurants they will hire you if ou are older than 21, other wise its better to choose a job at a shop, and factory don't really have parttime jobs, its quite hard to find one whith this crisis.

2)You can work and study, but feeding your family is not really possibel, becuase for that you need a full time job.

3)What I heared from peopel that lived in England they said that there are not that many racist peopel, generaly they are quite nice, there are some but I guess if you are a muslim and don't go to discos at nights and clubs you will actually never meet them, the same with me I never go to pubs and clubs or discos, so I never meet those racist peopel, and on work they can't really discriminate you becuase there are laws that protect you.

4)You will never feel home in a foreign country. It doesn't matter in which city you live, I am sorry if you taught otherwise, but you will always stay the immigrant, thats how everyone will see you there.....And by the way its better to choose a city where there are some foreigners, than a city where you are the only brown dude in your street.

[Nazar]

UK is not really the best place for immigration. Besides the racist whites, the weather is not that great (rains a lot in london) and people complain it is always cold.

If you want to immigrate, come try Canada or America because atleast those countries were made for immigration.

The weather wont be that bigger issue, I can probably live with it. I don't have that luxary of choosing between the UK and Canada to go to. I am already set to immigrate to Britain and the only second option I have is to stay wherever I am at the moment. Thanks for your advice.

I guess it depends on what kind of stay you have, for example if you are coming as a student you may be restricted to work - although many people/immigrants do work illegally but the income is extremely low.

You seem like you have good English skills so it would increase your chances of finding work. There are odd racist strongholds about in england but i doubt you will ever need to visit those places. Just make some good Muslim friends and stick to the deen and you will feel at home, I wouldn't try and look for fellow afghans here because many have ruined the name for afghans through various disgusting behaviours, you might make life harder for yourself.

I am gonna go on a sort of special immigrant visa with my family and therefore would be allowed to both work and study. So studying and working at the same time would rather be a financial issue for me not a legal one.
I have heard too many bad things about Afghans in the UK too. That's why I am looking for places which have Muslim communities not just Afghans. And also, thanks for the adhering to deen advice.

Well, I lived there for a while... Good luck - that's what I can say. Luck is something you will need for sure. I wish you all the best
Try to contact Haris. As I remeber he was from the UK. He was a very balanced member. Also Friend (Emkhan) is a friendly person. I am sure you will have some support.

I would try to contact both Emkhan and Haris. I really need someone's thoughts who actually lives there.

or you can come to london and work for me, that way you can earn a lot more than even if you had a proper job, it just depends on how much work you put in and if you have what it takes.
if you **** up, you will get deported FAST so you will have to be extra careful.

young men coming from muslim countries tend to get spoiled quick when they live here so dont get distracted by alcohol, gambling and women. remember money is the motive.

Bro! You are scaring me! I haven't made it there yet and you are talking about deportation? I am not gonna put myself in trouble by doing some shady business up there. I am a law abiding person by nature and always tend to stay away from illicit money making . But thanks for the job offer anyway.

[Nazar]

don't let people discourage you before you even get there. people will tell you of their experiences based on how hard they have tried not how hard you will try. in foreign, if you have the will, there are lots and lots of opportunities. in the beginning it will be tough for a while but if you work hard consistently and stay focused on your goal, you will get very far ahead.
if you want to come here mainly for your studies, make that your priority. you can't make a fortune and pursue education at the same time but you can support yourself and study well at the same time. just 4 or 5 years of hard work will pay off well.

You are right. I should take the risk and go there anyway. Will see what happens.

[Toramana]

Mr. Nazar Khan Saib, a lot would depend on what preferences do you have in life and your personality.

If your priorities are pretty narrow limited to enjoying the benefits of a well-organized well-governed society in terms of proper roads, shopping malls, parks, environment, health-care, and education system, and other amenities of life and if you are willing to assimilate fully, then immigration may not be a bad option for you.

However, there are many things to keep in mind.

-First generation immigrants even though if they decide to leave their cultures and home societies behind for good, have to go through a lot of pain and hardships (also depends on one's personality and sensitivity) to adjust or to be compatible or simply to keep it going. Don't expect that you would be readily accepted like a native British. Observance of human rights are relatively well guarded here and you find little discrimination in offices and work places, but life is not all about the work place; you've to go out into the street to find some emotional connection. To find those connections, you've to unlearn your culture and learn that of the host society. Even then acceptance is not guaranteed.

True, you can bank on those that are culturally similar to you e.g. Afghans, Muslims, Indians, etc. but even those people are not that welcoming and hospitable as many people may be back home. Some people might try to avoid you if you are new for the fear of you becoming a liability for them.

-Unlike the usual assumption, your standard of life might not be raised at all. Here by standard of life I want to refer to things like emotional, social, psychological, and material needs that are necessary to keep you healthy and happy. As for these things, my observations are:

-You loose all your social asset including friends, relatives, extended family, and the emotional connection to the larger society that you have with it due to common culture, language, values, and other visible and invisible bonds.
-As you have no emotional-psychological connection to the host-society, you don't consider yourself to be part of the mainstream and the struggle, aspiration, desires, etc of the larger society. You don't feel the sense of fulfillment and participation that comes from collective struggle with others e.g. through politics. You feel alienated.

-You loose social and communal life e.g. eid celebrations, attending marriages, family gatherings, get together and parties with friends, etc. that give you social and emotional energy. As a result you feel lonely.

-In material sense as well your standard of life might not be raised that much. If you have good business and income back home you might be able to afford better life by the standard of your home society e.g. house, car, the things you can afford to eat, etc. In economics, we use a term called purchasing power parity (PPP), which says that e.g. when comparing the per capita income of two countries, there should also be adjustment made for the relative purchasing power of the currencies of the two countries-For example, the per capita income in Norway is 62000 dollars but when adjusted for purchasing power it reduces to 37000 dollars. In advanced countries, many things are more expensive than they are in less developed countries (e.g. housing, transportation, communication, higher education, etc.).

-In developed countries, many things that you own may not be real e.g. you might have mortgaged a house but if you don't pay the mortgage you are not the owner of the house-

[Toramana]

If someone has middle class or upper middle class earning in his/her home country, he/she must do the following calculations in order to asses the pros and cons of immigration.

-Take a basket of the most commonly used goods and services. Some of the goods you may consider may include food items, housing, etc. -and the services, health care, communication, education, etc. Calculate the cost of living in your home currency. Then compare it with your income in your home country. Do the same calculation in the currency of the destination country where you want to immigrate. You would have to assume some expected income in the destination country based on your skills and education and the employment these things may acquire you.

Also make adjustment for the taxes you are paying in home country (against your income in your home country) and would have to pay in the destination country(against your expected in the destination country).

-Take into account your social standing and the good-will that you enjoy in the home society and the present and future benefits whether practical or emotional it may secure you. Dignity, self-esteem, respect, etc. give boost to one's emotional health.

-Also remember that societies in the east are family-oriented. Success of the individual means nothing if it doesn't enhance the honour, respect, unity, and well-being of the family. A father may have a sense of loss if he feels he lost his family even though his children succeeded to better their individual lives. So this factor should also be taken into account.

-Social asset and things such as a group of dear friends whom you can pass few moments of happiness with, social events like marriages(gham, khadi), eid celebrations, visiting family and friends, restaurant gossip, favorite food at a restaurant, cultural shows, music functions, etc. also keep you happy and engaged.

-Then being a part of the struggle of the larger society also gives you some purpose of life and sense of fulfillment. All these things need to be considered.

In addition to the above, some skills, qualifications, and professions might not be transferable or not have the same value or might not be at par with the same or equivalent skill/profession in the destination country. It is better and more respectable to be an engineer, doctor, or teacher at home than a taxi-driver or factory worker abroad.

[Toramana]

As a corroboration of what I said above, see the excerpt below from the given article.

Average monthly salaries for entry-level positions at Indian institutions, estimated to be nearly $4,000 in purchasing power parity (PPP) dollars – in which salaries reflect what it takes to purchase similar goods and services in different countries, is higher than in other developing countries, and substantially higher than China’s $259 PPP

Top Salaries For Indian Academics, But Few Takers | Asian Scientist Magazine | Science, Technology and Medicine News Updates From Asia

[Michin Khel]

We just read gloomy, dark and lonely life story of toramana

[Toramana]

We just read gloomy, dark and lonely life story of toramana

Macha, I hope you are alive and ravaging with your clownish clan.