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    Interesting Live Debate Between Afghanistan and Pakistan

    It should have gone to Politics section but since it is a debate i preferred to post it here in Jirga so we can discuss it.

    Afghanistan-Pakistan Town Hall I Part 1 - Clip 1 - YouTube


    Afghanistan-Pakistan Town Hall I Part 1 - Clip 2 - YouTube


    Afghanistan-Pakistan Town Hall I Part 1 - Clip 3 - YouTube


    Afghanistan-Pakistan Town Hall I Part 1 - Clip 4 - YouTube


    Pakistani reactions to Afghanistan-Pakistan Town Hall - YouTube
    Tags: afghanistan, debate, interesting, live, pakistan
  • #2
    Very interesting, but poor choice for panelists on Pakistan side except the ISI chief.






    Last edited by Talal; 03-20-2013, 01:36 PM.
    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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    • #3
      I would've liked to see better folks from the Pakistani side, I feel like they got owned by experienced Afghan politicians that were more sharper thinkers. You have two Afghan Ph.D's, and experienced politicians vs a bunch of people who are fighting amongst each other and insulting each other.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        @Admin Khan
        I pretty much agree with you.
        I really got amazed by professional Afghan Experts. They owned the Pakistanis.
        It was interesting to see the face of Sheikh Rashid when he was changing his statements (you must watch his previous videos in youtube).
        The one guy sitting in the left side was just an ass-hole and made me crazy when he said your country is occupied. This stupid guy doesn't know that his country is occupied from the day it is created.
        I love Amrullah Saleh because he never give a shet to Pakistanis h answers them on their face.

        I would love to see these kinds of debates in the future too, It would change the view of some Pakistani experts who laugh and talk bull-**** on behalf of Afghanistan.
        Last edited by ufo973; 03-20-2013, 06:48 PM.

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        • #5
          Its sad how Asad Durrani, an Afghan by ethnicity was trying to cover up Pakistan's piety crimes that were committed in the past. Durand line needs to be broken though.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #6
            Shiekh Rasheed is very dumb to be honest, I was never sure why is he invited to speak on such important matters. Also the ISI chief clearly had ISI mentality

            Over all though I think it is a good effort to have a dialogues between the two countries, this is the best way to solve differences by hearing each other's view points. Once the old polictians and ISI thugs are gone, perhaps the new generation of people will be much more open minded and commited to peace, but for that to happen these discussions/dialogues must continue

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
              Its sad how Asad Durrani, an Afghan by ethnicity was trying to cover up Pakistan's piety crimes that were committed in the past. Durand line needs to be broken though.
              I don't know how familiar you are with Pakistan's educational institutions. Children are virtually brainwashed in these institutions from a very young age; instilled with this sort of hyper-nationalist, gung-ho Pakistan mentality. Within the framework of Pakistan's political structure, no one is anything but "Pakistani", no one has any identity except "Pakistani" and so forth like this. Pakistan does everything within it's power to ward off any movement that may even possibly threaten it's sovereignty. They are very, very paranoid of all things surrounding this issue.
              I don't make monkeys, I just train them.

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              • #8
                To add to what Khwazun said, Musharraf Bangash was kidnapped when he began to sing patriotic songs devoted to the Pukhtun nation.
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khwazun View Post
                  I don't know how familiar you are with Pakistan's educational institutions. Children are virtually brainwashed in these institutions from a very young age; instilled with this sort of hyper-nationalist, gung-ho Pakistan mentality. Within the framework of Pakistan's political structure, no one is anything but "Pakistani", no one has any identity except "Pakistani" and so forth like this. Pakistan does everything within it's power to ward off any movement that may even possibly threaten it's sovereignty. They are very, very paranoid of all things surrounding this issue.
                  I vouch what you are saying. Its the ISI training that has a hand in this. Teaching urdu in pashtun and baloch cities is a norm in pakistan. Now i am not that angry at Peshwari Pakhtuns who spread their fake paki nationalism. They have been brainwashed at birth.
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #10
                    Very productive and interesting debate. Should happen from time to time. It specially gives a chance to Pakistanis to know what particular complaints do Afghans have from them.

                    Agreed with other commentators. Shiekh Rasheed is not the right person for such deep political debates. He's only good at discussing conspiracy theories.
                    Last edited by Nazar; 03-21-2013, 07:20 AM.
                    "Da bado sakha sha zezhi, da sho sakha washa zezhi"

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                    • #11
                      I love that toupee... anybody else notice?
                      I don't make monkeys, I just train them.

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                      • #12
                        Amrullah Saleh was awesome. On the Pakistani side only Haji Adeel seemed normal enough to accept mistakes of Pakistan and not to blame Afghan-Indian friendship on miseries of Pakistan. I liked how Saleh managed to irritate the Pakistani audience who were very rude to him, and yet bring up a smile to annoy them even more. ^_^
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                        • #13
                          Amrullah Saleh can speak Pashto as well now?
                          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                          • #14
                            Is it just me or are the Pakistani girls really beautiful, the host and the one doing the questions and answers at the end? Or maybe as an American guy, I just think they are exotic-looking and you may find them ordinary.
                            "Do not waste water even if you were at a running stream."-Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joey_Gladstonezai View Post
                              Is it just me or are the Pakistani girls really beautiful, the host and the one doing the questions and answers at the end? Or maybe as an American guy, I just think they are exotic-looking and you may find them ordinary.
                              Make-up, besides diamonds, are the girls second best friend.

                              Source: My female teacher

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