Do you remember Havi Sultan?

[Michin Khel]

بہت خوب! گریٹ ورک مروتہ!!!۔اچھے جا رہے ہو۔ایسے ہی دوسروں کی کردار کشی کرتے رہو۔بہت آگے جاؤ گے۔ ویسے آپ جیسے اور اس فورم کے اور بہت سارے "عظیم" تبصرہ نگار دنیا میں صرف اسی کام کے لیے تشریف لائے ہیں ۔ادب کی دنیا سے واقف ہیں؟ لیکن سیاست سے وقت ملے تب نا!!۔جناب ایسا شائد ہی ہوا ہو کہ
کسی ٖغیر عرب لکھاری نے کوئی عربی ناول لکھا تو اسے کہا جائے کہ تم کیوں عرب کلچر پر لکھتے ہو تم تو عجمی ہو!۔ایسا کب ہوا کہ کوئی انگریز ایشیائی تاریخ پر قلم اٹھائے اور اسے کہا گیا ہو کہ تم کیوں
ایشائی تاریخ پر قلم کشائی کرتے ہو تم تو ہم میں سے ہو ہی نہیں ؟ ایک فرنگی ہو!۔
مگر یہاں جانے کونسا غرور کا سودا سر میں سمایا ہے کہ فضولیات میں سر کھپائی کرتے ہیں ۔خود تو ادب کی دنیا سے کبھی گزر بھی نہیں ہوا ہوتا اور دوسروں پر انگلیاں اٹھاتے نہیں تھکتے!۔
مختصراً دوسرے تو ویسے ہی گئے گزرے ہیں یہاں مگر تم سے یہ امید نہیں تھی!۔[/center]

keep on defending worthless frauds like him and other fakes like afghani-hehe......... No fake person like havi sultan has the right to declare himself "pakistani pashtun" when he is actually an indian mohajir.....an urdu speaking member here "karachi" has pathan ancestory but he has never rubbed it on our faces, he is not suffering from identity issues, is guest here who admires pashtuns/afghans......guess what he has earned respect of members here.....an englishman writing aboutpashtuns is different than a mohajir writing with fake identity of pashtun....moreover he is not writing a book about pashtuns, accroding to him his book would glorify pak army and would be against talibans....typical fauji ISPR shyt.....
You think by exposing him i am doing his "kirdar kashi"? what you are writhing against me is not my kirdar kashi? questioning my preferences and sanity....All of this drama was for promotion of his book....and he seems to me mentally a screwed up guy, now on defense.pk he is claiming to be head of a pakistani nationalist party with 12000 followers to his revolution in canada..... it seems he is a loser in real life.....he is helping himself on internet....he is definitely suffering from attention seeking syndrome and he would go to any length to seek attention even assuming fake identity and thinking himself of a great writer....
you think you have become champion of " adabi duniya" by speaking urdu while all you are doing is "bad-tamizi" . I think you will take stand on any dog and piece of shyt if he is badmouthing afghans and Afghanistan......snap out of this childish anti-afghan mission that you are carrying on along with havi, son of mountains and others misguided souls. If this is "fazoliat" for you then limit yourself to useless urdu love poems which you are continuously posting on another forum even though nobody read that garbage.

[Admin Khan]

keep on defending worthless frauds like him and other fakes like afghani-hehe......... No fake person like havi sultan has the right to declare himself "pakistani pashtun" when he is actually an indian mohajir.....an urdu speaking member here "karachi" has pathan ancestory but he has never rubbed it on our faces, he is not suffering from identity issues, is guest here who admires pashtuns/afghans......guess what he has earned respect of members here.....an englishman writing aboutpashtuns is different than a mohajir writing with fake identity of pashtun....moreover he is not writing a book about pashtuns, accroding to him his book would glorify pak army and would be against talibans....typical fauji ISPR shyt.....
You think by exposing him i am doing his "kirdar kashi"? what you are writhing against me is not my kirdar kashi? questioning my preferences and sanity....All of this drama was for promotion of his book....and he seems to me mentally a screwed up guy, now on defense.pk he is claiming to be head of a pakistani nationalist party with 12000 followers to his revolution in canada..... it seems he is a loser in real life.....he is helping himself on internet....he is definitely suffering from attention seeking syndrome and he would go to any length to seek attention even assuming fake identity and thinking himself of a great writer....
you think you have become champion of " adabi duniya" by speaking urdu while all you are doing is "bad-tamizi" . I think you will take stand on any dog and piece of shyt if he is badmouthing afghans and Afghanistan......snap out of this childish anti-afghan mission that you are carrying on along with havi, son of mountains and others misguided souls. If this is "fazoliat" for you then limit yourself to useless urdu love poems which you are continuously posting on another forum even though nobody read that garbage.

Well said Luffy Khan. He turned out to be a fraud, as usual. I guess in an effort to get sales for his books, like many non-Pashtun Pakistanis, he decided to pull the ' I am a Pukhtun card'. Karachiwala are famous for this. When you lack history, and culture, you decide to false-claim. We should make dua for him, and not condemn his, although his malicious fraud-like behavior is despicable.

It's sad to naive people fall for the trap. People take advantage of those with low-iqs. You can't get away from our eagle-eyed Luffy Khan.

[Arooj Khan]

What a great debater I'm impressed !!! I can understand how great effort you would have made to present your speech before YOUR afghan masters .

keep on defending worthless frauds like him and other fakes like afghani-hehe......... No fake person like havi sultan has the right to declare himself "pakistani pashtun" when he is actually an indian mohajir.....an urdu speaking member here "karachi" has pathan ancestory but he has never rubbed it on our faces, he is not suffering from identity issues, is guest here who admires pashtuns/afghans......guess what he has earned respect of members here.....an englishman writing aboutpashtuns is different than a mohajir writing with fake identity of pashtun....moreover he is not writing a book about pashtuns, accroding to him his book would glorify pak army and would be against talibans....typical fauji ISPR shyt.....

Quote my single sentence from above post where i defend Him or something from his book ???!! By that all I meant to say was STOP BACK STABBING HIM , AFGHANI HE HE OR OTHER PATRIOTE PAKISTANIZ which are not present here or if you can't stop yourself from back bitting like women then Dare to say this Nonsense on their face like a NARR .

You think by exposing him i am doing his "kirdar kashi"? what you are writhing against me is not my kirdar kashi?

I'm not back bitting or back stabbing you I said everything on your face .Do you think you awarded me a trophy in return ??? didnt you do the same KIRDARR KASHI ND BAT TAMEEZI to me like a BAD MOUTHED WOMAN !!!!!

questioning my preferences and sanity....All of this drama was for promotion of his book....and he seems to me mentally a screwed up guy, now on defense.pk he is claiming to be head of a pakistani nationalist party with 12000 followers to his revolution in canada..... it seems he is a loser in real life.....he is helping himself on internet....he is definitely suffering from attention seeking syndrome and he would go to any length to seek attention even assuming fake identity and thinking himself of a great writer....

Are you jealous of him ?? you might be calling him a person suffering from identity crises but you know what I 'm sure you are the person HAVING MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER . your ideas keep fluctuating and you proudly call them "THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREE THINKER " Lol

you think you have become champion of " adabi duniya" by speaking urdu while all you are doing is "bad-tamizi" .

Do you think ADAB/LITERATURE is just the part of URDU??? Aleast I'm much better thn you I can proudly and darely speak it before anybody btt you COWARD .... Tum shaid Urdu zaban pr in ki behas or tano ka samna nhi kr sakty , Urdu bolo gy tu number kaisy banao gy akhir!!!

Urdu kho preda khpaly pashto na hm ye Bagarra kary ye werla ghwag sha da taso khpala khabara wa .....

Originally Posted by Luffy
I am talking here less and less in pashto as they might dig out a word from your sentence and would say to you
that look its urdu word , your pashto is impure....

I think you will take stand on any dog and piece of shyt if he is badmouthing afghans and Afghanistan......

Bring a single evidence where you could smell anti
afghan sentiments in my posts ??? ous da be asla khazy pa shant pa darogho de tawakal oko pa rishteya kho de khpa rasara nashwa wahala

delta ba za taso yu comment post kam che haqeeqat maloom shiii....

Originally Posted by Luffy

Manana. Not only afghans but also their associate pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa raised in the west.

Interacting with afghans and their associates on internet ,with few exeptions, is always painful and irritating experience for me.
Forexample I am talking here less and less in pashto as they might dig out a word from your sentence and would say to you
that look its urdu word , your pashto is impure....and they dont feel a little shame in calling us dhaalkhor and slaves of punjab and hera mundi. Its in pashtun nature that "cha na teeta na khwri" means they dont consider themeselves inferior to some one. So they should understand that its not wise to insult a pakistani pashtun in such way. Forexample shehbaz khan is a pro-pakistani pashtun of very gentleman behaviour, yet he is sort of an enemy for members here and frequently is target of their wraths.
You are also a pashtun in american so it might offend you but listen. 99% of members here are living in foriegn countries especially west. They have no exposure to pashtun enviroment and live in societies where things are divided along racial lines. They dont hate punjabis because they have did some thing wrong to them, but hate them because punjabis are dark skinned indic people....have you noticed that they use "paki" and "dhaalkhor" for pakistanis, which are racist terms. And they develop the habit of racist terms in the westren enviroment. They are copy cat racists, copying their white neighbours and trying to be like whites unintentionally. Moreover their source of information on pashtun society is internet. They learn things from internet but actually have not observed and experienced it. Forexample they might have learnt the meaning of "nanawatay" but would'nt have observed it. They are contineously exposed to non-pashtun , non-muslim enviroment and in the first phase of identity crisis they desparately try to maintain their pashtun values and identity and for that they adopt extreme ethno-centric appoach and thinking to abnormal level....but their connection with ground realities of Pakistan and afghanistan is not there, which is always cause of unpleasant arguements on this forum. So i would be careful in making claim that afghan mothers teach their kids to hate lar pashtuns.

the only forum where pashtuns actually living in KP were outnumbering expatriates , was khyberwatch.

originally posted by Luffy

Exactly. I agree with you. Like i said pro-pakistani pashtuns are proud people in their own manner,
you dont have to stick afghanistan flag on your house to be accepted as proper and genuine pashtun..
these people dont understand the real meaning of "unity". By unity they mean erasing durand and grabbing lands upto river indus.

snap out of this childish anti-afghan mission that you are carrying on along with havi, son of mountains and others misguided souls.

Awal khpala qibla barabar kra bia bal ta misguided soul waya ,,, Atleast we have one goal , one aim nd one direction sta pa shant IBN UL WAQT na yu aw GIRGAT pa shant Rang na badlo che kala de Pakistan kaleema waye aw kala ye Afghanistan ,,,,,,akhwa dekhwa na taso hm Chughli da para mawad ra patta waye ma hm yu title cherta der kary wo ka derta yaad ve

نہ تم اس پار جاتے ہو،نہ تم اِس پار آتے ہو
یہ کنفیوژن ہے کیا ،ہر بات سے کیوں خار کھاتے ہو؟
کبھی ٹانگیں اڑا دیتے ہو،پنجابی کے مسئلے میں
کبھی پشتون کلچر کو دھولتی مار آتے ہو!

Written by Arooj for Luffy .....

Keep going its a best way to earn some respect and good titles here khair da pa buttering tareeky hm sahi .......

If this is "fazoliat" for you then limit yourself to useless urdu love poems which you are continuously posting on another forum even though nobody read that garbage

If you say that THAT POETRY is Garbage thn plz comment on the Composer of that poetry Allama Iqbal,Rehman baba, ghani khan baba, Hamza baba , khatir afridi and Feroz Afridi .....ur comment is nothing morethan GARBAGE ,NONSENSE ND SHYT . So the best place for this is the dustbin of your own mind.

[Michin Khel]

What a great debater I'm impressed !!! I can understand how great effort you would have made to present your speech before YOUR afghan masters .

جھے پتہ ھے کہ اپ تقریری مقابلوں میں حصہ لیتی تھیں، اپ نے شاید یہاں کے بحث و مباحثہ کو تقریری مقابلہ سمجھ رکھا ھے۔ افغان میرے اقا و مالک نہیں ھیں، میرے ھم قوم اور ھم نسل ھیں۔ اگر کویی افغان میرے ساتھ اچھا ھے تو میں اس کے ساتھ اچھا، اگر کوی افغان میرے ساتھ برا ھے تو میں اس کے ساتھ برا۔ انفرادی سطح پر احتلاف فطری ھے، لیکن پشتونوں کے چاھے وہ کسی بھی ملک سے ھو، کے اپنے اجتماٰٰعی سوچ اور مفادات ھیں، جو پشتون انکی پاسداری نہیں کرتا وہ گیا گزرا ھے۔ میں محب وطن پاکستانی کے طور پر میں نے کبھی بھی پنجابی یا مہاجرقوم کو افغان قوم سے اوپر نہیں رکھا۔
میں نے افغانوں پر تنقید ضرور کی ھے لیکن پنجابیوں کو خوش کرنے کے لیے نیہں۔

Quote my single sentence from above post where i defend Him or something from his book ???!! By that all I meant to say was STOP BACK STABBING HIM , AFGHANI HE HE OR OTHER PATRIOTE PAKISTANIZ which are not present here or if you can't stop yourself from back bitting like women then Dare to say this Nonsense on their face like a NARR .

You yourself are a woman but you are degrading your gender? any how if you are trying to provoke me like this than let me inform you that you failed to do so. I have dealt with havi sultan on defence.pk and on your forum, while this thread here was to inform Pfers about the fraud.

I'm not back bitting or back stabbing you I said everything on your face .Do you think you awarded me a trophy in return ??? didnt you do the same KIRDARR KASHI ND BAT TAMEEZI to me like a BAD MOUTHED WOMAN !!!!!

Kindly dont embarrass yourself by calling me a bad mouthed women, you know that this level of provocation doesnt work on me. I did'nt say that you were back stabbing , you were disrespectful and rude. Infact i have ignored your aggressive tone for past few months, but its time that i take notice of your nonsensical views.

Are you jealous of him ?? you might be calling him a person suffering from identity crises but you know what I 'm sure you are the person HAVING MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER . your ideas keep fluctuating and you proudly call them "THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREE THINKER " Lol

Nope, my ideas are not fluctuating, they are maturing up with age, experiences and observations. You are not born with innate views, you learn the realities of life and facts with advancing age. Only bigots have rigid minds. forexample a kafir person realizing the truth of islam and converting to it can not be called as person suffering from personality disorder.

Do you think ADAB/LITERATURE is just the part of URDU??? Aleast I'm much better thn you I can proudly and darely speak it before anybody btt you COWARD .... Tum shaid Urdu zaban pr in ki behas or tano ka samna nhi kr sakty , Urdu bolo gy tu number kaisy banao gy akhir!!!

Urdu kho preda khpaly pashto na hm ye Bagarra kary ye werla ghwag sha da taso khpala khabara wa .....

nope , it is against etiquette to speak in urdu here when you know it very well that many afghans here dont understand urdu specially written one. And why one has to speak urdu with pashtuns? urdu is for communication with non-pashtun pakistanis......

Bring a single evidence where you could smell anti

afghan sentiments in my posts ??? ous da be asla khazy pa shant pa darogho de tawakal oko pa rishteya kho de khpa rasara nashwa wahala

I dont need to bring evidence , you attack afghans and afghanistan to defend pakistan, you mistake it for patriotism. Dont worry i used to do so, when i was immature like you.

Awal khpala qibla barabar kra bia bal ta misguided soul waya ,,, Atleast we have one goal , one aim nd one direction sta pa shant IBN UL WAQT na yu aw GIRGAT pa shant Rang na badlo che kala de Pakistan kaleema waye aw kala ye Afghanistan ,,,,,,akhwa dekhwa na taso hm Chughli da para mawad ra patta waye ma hm yu title cherta der kary wo ka derta yaad ve

نہ تم اس پار جاتے ہو،نہ تم اِس پار آتے ہو
یہ کنفیوژن ہے کیا ،ہر بات سے کیوں خار کھاتے ہو؟
کبھی ٹانگیں اڑا دیتے ہو،پنجابی کے مسئلے میں
کبھی پشتون کلچر کو دھولتی مار آتے ہو!

Written by Arooj for Luffy .....

Keep going its a best way to earn some respect and good titles here khair da pa buttering tareeky hm sahi .......

If you say that THAT POETRY is Garbage thn plz comment on the Composer of that poetry Allama Iqbal,Rehman baba, ghani khan baba, Hamza baba , khatir afridi and Feroz Afridi .....ur comment is nothing morethan GARBAGE ,NONSENSE ND SHYT . So the best place for this is the dustbin of your own mind.

I was first brainwashed , then got confused and now i am clear in my thoughts, it is called evolution and progress.

[Arooj Khan]

Apologies for being Harsh , actually your post was so infuriating so i replied in that manner .Sorry again ka der bad shy kho ye kho mai kaliwal bia mai shata zrra bad ve .......

جھے پتہ ھے کہ اپ تقریری مقابلوں میں حصہ لیتی تھیں، اپ نے شاید یہاں کے بحث و مباحثہ کو تقریری مقابلہ سمجھ رکھا

سمجھ گئی کہ آپ کس کی بات کر رہے ہیں ۔آپکا اندازہ ایک بار پھر غلط ہے!۔اور جس کی آپ بات کر رہے ہیں اسے بہت اچھی طرح جانتی ہوں اسطرح کے کاموں سے اسکا دور دور تک کوئی واسطہ نہیں !۔
۔میرا انٹروڈکٹری تھریڈ
ایک دفعہ پھر پڑھ لو۔۔۔میں میڈیکل کی سٹوڈنٹ ہوں ۔

[Blue Flower]

Arooj bibi meray khial mein aap havi ki kursi sambhalna chahti hain, jo kay aqal se aari maloom hoti hai , pakistani member hone ke naate humain muhabbat phailani chahiye shukriya

[Toramana]

Lol---Arooj Khan as usual coming to the defense of HaviZSultan as if she is tied to him via some delicate thread --- you shake one and the other gets stirred as well---

"Shah say ziyada shah ki wafadar----more loyal to the king than the king himself".

Arooj Khan why don't you join Bollywood and make film "From Karachi to Peshawar" or "from Peshawar to Karachi" ---you could be the hero and he the side hero ---and with your supern Urdu-Hindi and supper - dupper duo cost, it would be hit----

[Arooj Khan]

Arooj bibi meray khial mein aap havi ki kursi sambhalna chahti hain, jo kay aqal se aari maloom hoti hai , pakistani member hone ke naate humain muhabbat phailani chahiye shukriya

Muhtaram ye app kia ferma rahy hen koi SAR YA PAER hai es ka ??? or Kursi lagta hai k Zardari se lineage kahi ja kar milta hai app ka jo har jagha Kursi nazar a rahi he . Wo kiss takht pr jalwa afroz thy k ab meri bari a gai waha Tshreef ferma hony ki ???

Muhabbat mujhy mat sikhaye app abhi tifle maktab hai .......

[Arooj Khan]

Lol---Arooj Khan as usual coming to the defense of HaviZSultan as if she is tied to him via some delicate thread --- you shake one and the other gets stirred as well---

"Shah say ziyada shah ki wafadar----more loyal to the king than the king himself".

Arooj Khan why don't you join Bollywood and make film "From Karachi to Peshawar" or "from Peshawar to Karachi" ---you could be the hero and he the side hero ---and with your supern Urdu-Hindi and supper - dupper duo cost, it would be hit----

First comment is just IGNORED !!!!!

But the rest about movie , As you claimed that we both are THE HEROES so i will take you as the villein of that movie Lolllllllll

YOU WILL BE THE JOHNY LEVER OR BANDIYYA OF MY MOVIE bcoz i observed you you are the villein of this forums for all pakistani heroes

[Michin Khel]

Apologies for being Harsh , actually your post was so infuriating so i replied in that manner .Sorry again ka der bad shy kho ye kho mai kaliwal bia mai shata zrra bad ve .......

سمجھ گئی کہ آپ کس کی بات کر رہے ہیں ۔آپکا اندازہ ایک بار پھر غلط ہے!۔اور جس کی آپ بات کر رہے ہیں اسے بہت اچھی طرح جانتی ہوں اسطرح کے کاموں سے اسکا دور دور تک کوئی واسطہ نہیں !۔
۔میرا انٹروڈکٹری تھریڈ
ایک دفعہ پھر پڑھ لو۔۔۔میں میڈیکل کی سٹوڈنٹ ہوں ۔

اگرچہ میرا موقف وھی ھے لیکن مجھے اپ سے سخت لہجے میں بات نہیں کرنی چاھیے تھی، اس پر میں اپ سے معافی مانگتا ھوں۔
If you are a friend of havi sultan and you are offended that i am doing his "kirdar kashi" in his absence then dont worry i am messaging havi sultan on defence.pk about this thread to explain himself to PFers.

[randolph85]

i have never seen as much unwarranted pride on hilarious display as i have on that forum.