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    Afghan Mi-17s and Mig-21s in pakistan

    Afghan pilots who defected went to Pakistan with these and pakistan has never returned them.
    Is this normal,shouldnt they give back what belongs to Afghanistan.Pakistan seems to have 93 Mi 17s ,
    are all of those from Afghanistan or did they also buy some from Russia?



    Tags: afghan, mi17s, mig21s, pakistan
  • #2
    Evidence?
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
      Evidence?
      evidence of what?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
        evidence of what?
        You claim Pakistan has Afghan MiG's, before I share my comments, is there any evidence of your claim. I know about Tanks, and a few planes, but was wondering if you had any concrete evidence.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          You claim Pakistan has Afghan MiG's, before I share my comments, is there any evidence of your claim. I know about Tanks, and a few planes, but was wondering if you had any concrete evidence.
          the mig-21s are out of use now but they did have them,ive heard their response to Afghans was "they are useless now"

          here is one standing somewhere in pakistan and i dont think pakistan had any deal with russia to get these.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
            the mig-21s are out of use now but they did have them,ive heard their response to Afghans was "they are useless now"

            here is one standing somewhere in pakistan and i dont think pakistan had any deal with russia to get these.
            This is what happens when you have a pathetic government.
            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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            • #7
              That was the only mig that your guys flew in when one of the Afghan pilots defected and brought it to Pakistan.

              PAF used to operate the chinese F7PG but those are being phased out with those new JF-17s

              Anyways for the safety of your pilots I wouldnt think about Mig-21s, the Indians call them the "flying coffins"..One of them goes down every two months, its a very troublesome machine.
              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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              • #8
                Talal, what are the JF17's equivalent to, in terms of American hardware.
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                  Talal, what are the JF17's equivalent to, in terms of American hardware.
                  Call it a poor man's F-16 but it has helped them get a lot of insight into air-craft building and as a work horse its pretty cheap
                  It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Talal View Post
                    That was the only mig that your guys flew in when one of the Afghan pilots defected and brought it to Pakistan.
                    this is not true
                    there were more one.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                      This is what happens when you have a pathetic government.
                      just found out that there were more fighter jets taken to tajikistan the same way they were taken to pakistan.

                      i will ask for details and will update you on ,who and where did they take those planes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
                        this is not true
                        there were more one.
                        i thought this 957 was the only one ?
                        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Adam
                          Yuup quite a few Helicopters were flown over the border, i doubt they'd be returned though they're either in an unusable condition in some museum or became scrap metal

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ns#Afghanistan
                          the list doesnt look complete.
                          they havent mentioned any aircrafts going to tajikistan.

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                          • #14
                            why would an afghan pilot defect to tajikistan which was part of the soviet union? the defeats the purpose of defecting.
                            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                            Sayyid Qutb

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                            • #15
                              I've seen a few in PAF Museum the one he gave picture of is also there in the Museum at Karachi. And yes it was written over there with it too.
                              yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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