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  • #16
    This man is all over the internet; Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and Discussion Forums. I don't know if he's got any life other then sitting in front of life-less machine and saying all the bigotry he can't express in his real life social circle.
    Everywhere he goes, he's bullied and rebutted. He was there at the Afghan Yoon Facebook group and then got kicked out for being an apostate. Poor fella!
    Last edited by Nazar; 11-17-2012, 05:39 AM.
    "Da bado sakha sha zezhi, da sho sakha washa zezhi"

    - Hajjanai Adeh

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    • #17
      I wouldn't waste my time to watch this guy,
      but since that other thread about his conversion,
      has he admitted to his Baptism by some
      Serbian Orthodox church ??
      If so, where?

      I would like to know so I can assess what is his game.

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      • #18
        ahh..the pf assessor is at it again. LOL
        what's YOUR game, catya?

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        • #19
          Its funny how people are so concerned about my view on faith or what faith I follow.

          Had I been a white Christian who converted to Islam you would be spamming a video of me all over forums to prove how Islam is true or the right path and how as usual, suffer from inferior complex show a white person follow Islam as proof that the master race also follows the Arab religion.

          Tor Kham...Your living in a Arab country called Dubai which was modernised and developed by the Western countries, otherwise they would be living in tents and herding camels for a living.....People live in West due to its progressive policies and freedoms....its why immigration to Saudi Arabia or Somalia is very low but immigration to Kafir western countries is very high...do you get the hint.


          Randolph....has a thing against Christians, yet he lives in a Christian country called USA...he watches naked men fight in a acting ring and watches rude cartoons such as beevis and butthead.

          He had the nerve to question my religious beliefs yet live in a Christian country.


          He is the reason why Islamphobia exists....its due to the hypocrite Muslims who live in Christian countries yet mock those who follow Christianity, but refuse to return back to this dusty, flea infested Islamic state i.e Afghanistan....

          Randolph, the Christians took your refugee family in, they gave them rights, unlike your Muslim brothers in Pakistan did, who abused refugees in Pakistan, or in Iran...even in Saudi Arabia too, I hear stories of Afghans used as labour trash and given cabins to sleep in.

          So what if I convert to Christianity, I assumed Islam is a religion of peace and its followers respect choices of others, but obviously that is usual lies, Islam is not peaceful, it punishes those who leave with death, it hates, dislikes all other faiths and no minority can live peaceful under an Islamic state.

          Sad thing is, 99 percent of you, with exception to Torkham, is living in a peaceful, democratic, Christian country, who see you as equal even though you are disloyal, two faced, and want to turn it into an backward hell hole Islamic state.

          If I had to choose, between an Christian or Muslim...I would choose an Christian any day.

          I hope my message does not get deleted as I know Muslims can't take any criticism and resort to aggressive antics.

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          • #20
            I can't wait till he becomes a bhuddist..

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            • #21
              Maseed, like AK has said, i feel you are still a brother, a brother who has taken a other perspective in life, and I for one never turn my back on my brother. I assume your change is a response to our (perceived) failures as muslims, as pashtun, as immigrants, when juxtaposed with apparent successes you observe in the window of your life in the west. As i said in my last post, nature vs nurture is real, i assess you are a good example of that (so are many PFers here but they don't go around making expositional videos for the world to see, because these set your opinions on stone, you set a motion with the fervour of Tariq Bin Zayad, who burnt the boats after reaching Iberia(spain/potugal pinensula) or like Ceasar crossing the Rubicon river.

              Your daliance with Orthodoxy, your penchant for Russians and open rejection of Islam is not the solution to the problems you see.

              We are born sons and daughters of our fathers and mothers, we are raised in ways of our are parents and ancestors. I know for a given fact that these paths you have taken can never be reconciled with the hopes and ارمان of your parents. If only your parents knew.

              Now, i am going to analyse this for you, you are embracing orthodoxy etc because you see certain aspects that make sense, and you see actions of muslims and pashtuns that dont make sense, because your paradigm of thought is The West, where you have been nurtured. The contradictions you see are NOT due to Islam, but due to flaws of the PEOPLE.
              Remember the christians have gone through cataclysms and reformations, they have rejected and adapted to their societal development through rennaissance and the scientific revolution, the suffragette movement, the abolition of slavery and relinquishing colonialism and abandoning of their Missionary activities of south america and africa, etc list goes on. They have gone through this developement very recently, in last 300 years. If you can accept civilisation being approximately 7 thousand years, then the technologocal and ethical development (lacking in muslims, which I suppose makes you see your muslims as barbarians), the old word (cultural west/europe) is only about a few hundred years ahead of the muslims ( in these areas). As a fraction, few hundred out of 7000 years is a very small percentage lead. With the penetration of western advances in every qarya, dehat, kala, walayat, soobah, district and tehsil, the brothers most ignorant (of western ideas) will begin to embrace the world problems similarly to the champions who you have espoused, would do, morally, ethically and humanely. I remember the incredulity of my neka as he had never seen a tv set, now other mashar carry smart phones.

              One of my point is that what you see good in christianity or the russians is the good we all see and should elevate to, and it is not exclusive to christians, it is a universal quality of ethics, morality, humanity. What you dont see is their ignorance and corruption of truth in other aspect of life, rejecting the ultimacy of Mohamad(s) and Makkah in the Bible, the rejection of St Barnabas' gospel, the rejection of old testament for a revised king james' version or the Divine blessing of monarchies to rule people, their faults go on.

              My other point is that islam guides the believers to the ethics, morality and humanity that civilisations strive for. Unfortunately cultures too have evolution, and some of the evolution has its faults, lets say mutations - things added, removed or changed to the DNA of culture. And the cultures have interfered with the true instructions, like the pagan cultures of Arabs pervading Islamic instructions. Cultures are the more and customs of the people. It is the PEOPLE who do right or wrong. Blaming muslim or pashtun or talibs is flawed, because you assume they are homogenous. This means there are decent people out there trying to do a decent job AND there are saboteurs and frauds, fakes and idiots who are perceived as genuine. We observers have to sort the fakes and frauds from the genuine articles.. Shaitan doesn't give health warnings whilst tempting us to to what is sin, similarly the people who sin or tempt others to sin don't show their true faces.

              It is often said that you are a better man who once lost returns rightfully home.

              i have given examples here to help you to help your self in Islam. Sort it out. Do the right thing. You were born a muslim. Die a muslim.

              Reinvent your self, get a new email address and start again. Infact remain soldat and reassert the Maseed, because you are man of conviction and commitment, you can surely take the flak.
              Last edited by torkham; 01-04-2013, 03:14 PM.

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              • #22
                since when was the west "christian" as you say, soldat? the west is proof that christianity is dead.

                i don't remember any of your posts being deleted so lets not act like your views are under threat here. i welcome your posts because they are of great entertainment to me and others. your identity crisis makes me smile, you are going through some teenage rebellion except you are a grown man which makes it pathetic because this rebellion has gone through about 10 stages instead of the usual teenage 2-3.
                Last edited by randolph85; 01-04-2013, 09:19 PM.
                There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                Sayyid Qutb

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                • #23
                  i think our brother torkham is being too nice to this guy. i would support his response entirely if soldat was some lost teenager, but not now that he is a grown man.

                  the bridges have been burned.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                    i think our brother torkham is being too nice to this guy. i would support his response entirely if soldat was some lost teenager, but not now that he is a grown man.

                    the bridges have been burned.

                    you are reffering to the pashto saying:

                    che oba terr waarkh tere shee no bya na ragarzee.... when water leaves once,it will not return back.
                    Last edited by Afghanistan2010; 01-05-2013, 02:39 PM.
                    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                    • #25
                      I've seen his videos on YouTube for years now. My first impression was this guy is either mentally ill or a foreign propaganda agent. The more of his videos I saw the more I realized this guy is too off balance to ever possess the qualities required to be on a government payroll. Torkham is a better man than me, I have serious reservations about this person ever joining the ranks of normal Pashtun society. The blasphemy and apostasy he spews, the raw hatred and venom he spews against Muslims is unforgivable on its own.

                      As a side note, he asserts that the west is "Christian". This claim is as strange and awkward as the rest of his claims. Every western society today consolidates its identity as aggressively secular! The guy is a clown but one that seems to never go away.

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                      • #26
                        Damm whats the hate against this guy? What has he really done to you guys in a manner for you to lash out at him like this? sure i know he doesn't accept Islam for some reason, but i think that's a weird reason to lash out on him.
                        "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                        -Old Pashtun proverb




                        "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                        • #27
                          People can't really say that west in successful because of Christianity, Christianity died here long time ago, in fact west started to become successful when they started to become secular some 500 years ago.

                          Religion doesn't really make a society successful or failure, this has been proven multiple times over. Same way you can not blame Islam for the failures of muslim societies. Muslims have failed as a people simply because of their short comings in almost everything, we are a dead people, economically and literacy wise, our leaders are corrupt puppets who will never let muslims rise in anything even if they desire too.
                          Last edited by Karachi; 01-07-2013, 09:29 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                            Damm whats the hate against this guy? What has he really done to you guys in a manner for you to lash out at him like this? sure i know he doesn't accept Islam for some reason, but i think that's a weird reason to lash out on him.
                            Nothing,he went on a crusade to fight for the Russians orthodox christians against islam,pashtuns,and finally this forum.
                            High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                              Damm whats the hate against this guy? What has he really done to you guys in a manner for you to lash out at him like this? sure i know he doesn't accept Islam for some reason, but i think that's a weird reason to lash out on him.
                              Wrora, it's not that he doesn't accept Islam. That's far too simplistic of a way view him. It's that he's openly nasty, hostile and even aggressive to us. I remember maybe one or two years ago I posted a comment on YouTube challenging his view on something in a mature and rational manner; his response consisted of some bizarre rant about how he knew how to handle Islamist **** like me, "when I was in Spetsnaz in Chechnya we used to" blah blah fill in the blank with some graphic description of torturing Muslims. And he never responded to my challenge of ideas. That guy is a serious sick lunatic that should be wearing a helmet in a padded room in an asylum somewhere.

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