video: response to khangul, toramana & soldat_amir

[Admin Khan]

Pretty brave of you. I like your gangster look.

[Old School Killiwal]

Pretty brave of you. I like your gangster look.

thank you for your response.

[MostafaM]

I think the content is ok.

But you definitly need to write down your thoughts prior to making a video, go through them and try to find a golden thread in your arguements.
Improvising your words while holding a speech is not that easy.

You need to improve your rhetorics.

AND last but not least....salute because you are partly from Khurram! ;-)

[MostafaM]

...about Soldat Amir:
his Maseed Pashto is pure, I don´t really understand why we have to de-pashtunize people when don´t agree with them as if "being Pashtun" is such a defined thing.

[Old School Killiwal]

I think the content is ok.

But you definitly need to write down your thoughts prior to making a video, go through them and try to find a golden thread in your arguements.
Improvising your words while holding a speech is not that easy.

You need to improve your rhetorics.

AND last but not least....salute because you are partly from Khurram! ;-)

Thank you for your response.

Yeah, I was just bored so I made this but next time, it will be professional.

Thank you again.

[Old School Killiwal]

...about Soldat Amir:
his Maseed Pashto is pure, I don´t really understand why we have to de-pashtunize people when don´t agree with them as if "being Pashtun" is such a defined thing.

Personally, since I do not know him real life, and judging from his PF statements and videos, I came to the conclusion that he wasn't Pashtun but I may be wrong.

[Old School Killiwal]

Clothes does not matter it it what is within the person and his message and even thought I had some difficulties understanding what you said (My written English is better than how I talk English in reality and also the British (?) accent caused little problems but I understood the vast majority).

Next time, I will use proper English and not slang.

I agree. You know something is wrong when only 2-3 members are trying to convince the other Pashtuns here on how to live. Funny enough those persons appear not to live in Afghanistan nor have they lived there as grown ups (I doubt this)

They have an agenda, its obvious from what they convey in each thread/video.

Soldat_Amir (Soldat_communist as I call him) is a well-known fake. I and others have exposed his nonsense time and time again.

He claimed that he was a former Spetnatz (Or how this is spelled) member who fought during the Chechen war (the fool did not even tell me if it was the First or Second Chechen war) How could this be possible when this soldat is not more than 35 years old based from his appearance? I smell a liar.

He also showed extreme lack of knowledge about Chechnya something a resident Armenina (Arevapasht) here also agree with me on.

I think he is frustrated individual. Something must be done. I am wondering where his parents, siblings etc. are to help him.

Well, since we do not know him, all we can do is pray (and if you have the patience, you can try to talk, but I am a busy man.)

Thank you for your comments.

[MostafaM]

Personally, since I do not know him real life, and judging from his PF statements and videos, I came to the conclusion that he wasn't Pashtun but I may be wrong.

I understand your points and I agree

Any Afghan who praises the Red Army who killed 1.2 Million Afghans and made hundreds of thousands handicaps through their mining campaigns specially in the south and Pashtun inhabitated areas lacks definitly empathy for his own nation that he superficially tries to enlighten with these kinds of videos.

He lacks understanding for the peoples emotions, their daily life and the religion that is so important for them.

He sidelines himself from his own nation but I have to admit that his radicalisation is partly catalyzed by the jihadi-fundamentalist rhetorics on this site and I guess in real life, too.

[Old School Killiwal]

I understand your points and I agree

Any Afghan who praises the Red Army who killed 1.2 Million Afghans and made hundreds of thousands handicaps through their mining campaigns specially in the south and Pashtun inhabitated areas lacks definitly empathy for his own nation that he superficially tries to enlighten with these kinds of videos.

He lacks understanding for the peoples emotions, their daily life and the religion that is so important for them.

He sidelines himself from his own nation but I have to admit that his radicalisation is partly catalyzed by the jihadi-fundamentalist rhetorics on this site and I guess in real life, too.

I see what you mean except the very last paragraph.

Soldat was here long before brothers like Afghanistan2010, AL-Hanif and GOE joined and at that time, no one was really into politics or religion here (on PF). Everyone was more concerned with making threads about Afghan Pashtuns vs. KP Pashtuns, etc. Them times, he was secular but wanted nothing to do with Afghans. He wanted an independant Pashtunistan. Later, he came as "Pashtun_Ultranationalist" and said he was from Khost. He didn't say he was from Waziristan becuase "Waziristan was seperated from Afghanistan by the British, etc." Now, he says Afghans are backwards. Also, many moons ago, on Afghan-forums.com, he used to support the Taliban. So this is one confused individual.

[tor_khan]

Thank you for the "خاص سلام". Very kind of you S. The volume started off pretty low and I so I pushed it up on my cell phone. Towards the end, my daughter walked into the room and caught the expletives that would either be edited out or NOT scripted in. For that, I knock off score points.

As for the general matters that you raise. Well, I totally agree with the opposition to the re-scripting of the language for lazy English-educated Pashtuns. I was, and am totally prepared to listen to a sound argument for the promotion of Pashto for educational purposes but have yet to hear a convincing argument for how a Latin-based alphabet can be used by all Pashtuns to read/write the language without it falling back into dialect. I have repeatedly asked for a written example, and this has not been offered. You actually made that point very eloquently in the thread dedicated to the subject, even before you took the matter to video.

As for your opposition to Toromana and Soldat. Agreed, both speak as the minorities and reflect what I increasingly see as a pattern by some from Pashtunkhwa (not exclusively, mind) to opt for an almost militant secularist view as the solution to the many problems we face. This can lead to a 'throwing out the baby with the bath-water' syndrome. In my opinion, not everything about the Pashtun/Muslim identity is contradictory and not everything about the separation or overlap of these need cause anyone a major identity crises. If you love your language and people and you can think rationally and seek understanding when it comes to matters of religion, you should be at peace. The rest is politics that can be adapted to suit us as and when.

Something I should point out. You make light of Toromana's and Soldat's many incarnations. Remember how the words, 'kettle', 'pot', 'black' occasionally fall into the same sentence. I'm not making a dig; just responding to a video that you have decided to put into the public domain.

P.S. It may not be my place to psycho-analyse as I am not really qualified to do so, but here's my take. I have watched Soldat's political and self-identity 'evolution' take place right before us and I have to say, that whilst I don't agree with many of his views and the alliances he has tried to forge with 'others' on the internet, I think the combination of British history in the region, his Mehsud background, the rise of the Taliban and the 'separation' of many Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa from their Afghan past combined with growing up in a racially divided Britain begins to explain a lot. You could take those elements and rename them, and what you find across Europe is a generation of angry young men. When he's here to defend himself, he may tell it differently, of course.

[Old School Killiwal]

Thank you for the "خاص سلام". Very kind of you S. The volume started off pretty low and I so I pushed it up on my cell phone. Towards the end, my daughter walked into the room and caught the expletives that would either be edited out or NOT scripted in. For that, I knock off score points.

Thank you for your response. It was recorded by me using the Youtube webcam feature and without a script, so there is considerable allowance for mistakes and mishaps. That being said, the language used in this video was not formal or concise, as the points being conveyed were simplified for general convenience though it now does not seem to be so.

As for the general matters that you raise. Well, I totally agree with the opposition to the re-scripting of the language for lazy English-educated Pashtuns. I was, and am totally prepared to listen to a sound argument for the promotion of Pashto for educational purposes but have yet to hear a convincing argument for how a Latin-based alphabet can be used by all Pashtuns to read/write the language without it falling back into dialect. I have repeatedly asked for a written example, and this has not been offered. You actually made that point very eloquently in the thread dedicated to the subject, even before you took the matter to video.

Insha`Allah, I will make a proper video soon which will explain my views and I will present my arguments (even though it is the truth) in a more professional way i.e, using better terminology. The problem (and cause of my recent vidoes emerging) is that I am now growing tired of typing, I find it easier to speak physically.

As for your opposition to Toromana and Soldat. Agreed, both speak as the minorities and reflect what I increasingly see as a pattern by some from Pashtunkhwa (not exclusively, mind) to opt for an almost militant secularist view as the solution to the many problems we face. This can lead to a 'throwing out the baby with the bath-water' syndrome. In my opinion, not everything about the Pashtun/Muslim identity is contradictory and not everything about the separation or overlap of these need cause anyone a major identity crises. If you love your language and people and you can think rationally and seek understanding when it comes to matters of religion, you should be at peace. The rest is politics that can be adapted to suit us as and when.

Your points are noted.

Something I should point out. You make light of Toromana's and Soldat's many incarnations. Remember how the words, 'kettle', 'pot', 'black' occasionally fall into the same sentence. I'm not making a dig; just responding to a video that you have decided to put into the public domain.

In my case, as you know, I was just trolling for my own fun.
But, these people may have an agenda.

P.S. It may not be my place to psycho-analyse as I am not really qualified to do so, but here's my take. I have watched Soldat's political and self-identity 'evolution' take place right before us and I have to say, that whilst I don't agree with many of his views and the alliances he has tried to forge with 'others' on the internet, I think the combination of British history in the region, his Mehsud background, the rise of the Taliban and the 'separation' of many Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa from their Afghan past combined with growing up in a racially divided Britain begins to explain a lot. You could take those elements and rename them, and what you find across Europe is a generation of angry young men. When he's here to defend himself, he may tell it differently, of course.

Interesting.

Thank you once again.

[Old School Killiwal]

To tell the truth I only like one think about the Soldat_Amir I know on this person (obviously I do not know him as person) and that is his concern criticism of us Muslims not reaction to injustice commited against us by other Muslims. I agree with him on this but that might be the only think.

What I wrote in my post above brother tor-khan's is my opinion of Soldat_Amir (the user here)

I do not know which opinions he had before beginning of October 2011.

That is indeed the ONE good point he makes.

[faye]

soldat has always been passionate about his beliefs, from when i have seen him on pf. many things we disagreed on but at least he is alive and vital. not like some of the droll/boring folk that criticise him.

[Old School Killiwal]

soldat has always been passionate about his beliefs, from when i have seen him on pf. many things we disagreed on but at least he is alive and vital. not like some of the droll/boring folk that criticise him.

But he has only been "passionate" about his beliefs for a short time. Before that, he believed something else, and before that, something else. Since he is not present on PF as much, one can only presume he is making another account, with new beliefs yet again.

[faye]

oooooo, you're such a bitch ;-)
quack, quack..love your hat!