afghan or pakistani

[khushal]

Torkham lala, Allah di mal sa.

Insha'Allah, one day, I will legally enter Afghanistan.

what do you mean by legally enter afghanistan?

[torkham]

alhamdulillah born in afghanistan. born a pashtun. even though i read somewhere on PF that pride in ones ancestry is not good . . . something to the effect, but the feeling of pride I cannot hide.

what is your obstacle to legal entry to afghanistan? sure someone hear can help.

I am flying to kabul next week, can't wait to see the spring weather. short trip, to get new tazkara issued, lost my original first tazkara. will travel to mazar as well, take photos to upload here for you folks.

[haviZsultan]

Oh really? The first thing is, no Pukhtun would kill his/her own Pashtun brother no matter how loyal to Pakistan for pragmatic reasons for something as artificial as Pakistani nationhood. The second thing is, the so-called Paki patriotism is only skin-deep beneath which there are ethno-political sentiments simmering that explode occasionally and that may lead to the final implosion of Pakistan.

Your own Urdu-speaking Indic Mahajar community originally from Gangetic planes is an example of such sentiments which places its cultural and linguistic identity above Pakistan-Shakistan and which expresses that in MQMs Urdu-Mahajar chauvinism/terrorism and acrimony to the rest of peole including Pashtuns, Sindhis, Punjabis, etc. in Karachi So spare your typical Paki emotional manipulation disguised as Paki patriotism for someone else---don't play it here.

The question is who is asking the Pashtun to kill his Pashtun brother... what kind of imaginary world are you living in?

Taking pride in our ethnic identity is one thing and taking pride in Pakistan is another. You would make a huge mistake if you believe that loyalty to the Pashtun cause means people are not loyal to Pakistan.

Try putting the theory to test and screaming 'Death to Pakistan' when you get outside that hill you own in Malakand. I doubt you will go home alive...

MQM is a terrorist party, Altaf should be shot but it has nothing to do with this discussion which is about Pashtuns and their identity. Did I mention where I was from? I may be mohajir, sindhi, baloch or even Pashtun. It doesn't matter. It matters I am willing to die for the prosperity of Pashtuns... those Pashtuns on the Pakistani side of the border... but sadly people don't understand others goodwill to them.

The problem for Pakistan is poor policies. The center is not paying attention to the Pashtuns needs but theres no reason to believe it will remain the case. Our people are dying daily and people will soon realize our policy needs a shift.

Pakistan can't do anything right now but stop. It has to get out of this war. Since it can't fight it (has failed to kill a single top commander) and rid Pashtun areas of the Taliban at all without thousands of Pashtuns dying without any success its just better to wait and let the Americans leave. Then the blood of the jihadi will stop boiling and will calm down (cowardly but what choice do we have). If we use force and fail people like you will be complaining about Taliban being proxies. Failure in this war shakes the confidence of the people.

We should have done this right from the beginning and should have accepted this is a futile war which will alienate the Pashtun.
We either need to be able to do away with the Taliban completely or not be in this war. Its simple as that.

Ethno-political sentiments exploding is what you wish isn't it? What you are wishing is something so horrible happens that Millions of Pashtuns are killed and their mindset changes (They stop believing in Pakistan-which can only happen due to some horrific riot or killing). It is sick and nothing a well wisher for the Pashtuns would wish. You have been calling others sons of Ranjit Singh and Punjabis ever since you entered the forum... but I believe if Ranjit Singh was alive today he would hoist you up on his shoulders and call you his son. Then he would work with you to wipe out Pashtuns off the map.

The idea of Pashtunistan is dead, of uniting the lost brothers on the other side of the durrand line is dead. The faster people on both sides accept it the better. Plus people on our side have accepted it and have heavily joined in the Nations government, army and institutions and BarakzaiAbdali claims.

Its time for some Ultra-Nationalists who are wishing for a genocide of Pashtuns in Pakistan to stop wishing horrible things happening to the Pashtun on this side. The Punjabis can go to hell, Ranjit singh can go to hell, but the future of 30 Million Pakistanis Pashtuns is with Pakistan.

[Old School Killiwal]

what do you mean by legally enter afghanistan?

with a visa

[Old School Killiwal]

what is your obstacle to legal entry to afghanistan? sure someone hear can help.

I am flying to kabul next week, can't wait to see the spring weather. short trip, to get new tazkara issued, lost my original first tazkara. will travel to mazar as well, take photos to upload here for you folks.

I dont have the time or money at the moment.

Good luck for your trip.

[torkham]

I dont have the time or money at the moment.

Good luck for your trip.

thanks.

well if you aint got the time, then you better be doing something good
if you aint got the money, then i hope you you are spending less than you are making

one way or another, make things happen kiliwal. urgon is beautiful, I have heard.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Oh really? The first thing is, no Pukhtun would kill his/her own Pashtun brother no matter how loyal to Pakistan for pragmatic reasons for something as artificial as Pakistani nationhood. The second thing is, the so-called Paki patriotism is only skin-deep beneath which there are ethno-political sentiments simmering that explode occasionally and that may lead to the final implosion of Pakistan.

Your own Urdu-speaking Indic Mahajar community originally from Gangetic planes is an example of such sentiments which places its cultural and linguistic identity above Pakistan-Shakistan and which expresses that in MQMs Urdu-Mahajar chauvinism/terrorism and acrimony to the rest of peole including Pashtuns, Sindhis, Punjabis, etc. in Karachi So spare your typical Paki emotional manipulation disguised as Paki patriotism for someone else---don't play it here.

Not sure what planet you're living on but Pashtuns have killed other Pashtuns many times for different reasons. Ahmad Shah Abdali joined forces with the Turkoman Iranian Nader Shah Quli and joined him in killing the Hotak Clans in Qandahar. Shah Shuja (your role model) had fought and killed other Pashtuns to serve British designs. And you by your own admission acknowledge the Taliban who murder Pashtuns for Pakistani Geopolitics.