Refuting Mutazilahs : Human was actually created from clay

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CREATION FROM CLAY


In the Qur'an, Allah reveals that the creation of the human is a miracle. The first human being was created by Allah shaping clay into human form and breathing a soul into it:

Your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to create a human being out of clay. When I have formed him and breathed My Spirit into him, fall down in prostration to him!" (Qur'an, 38:71-72)

Then inquire of them: Is it they who are stronger in structure or other things We have created? We created them from sticky clay. (Qur'an, 37:11)

When the human body is examined today, it may be discovered that many elements present on the earth are also to be found in the body. Living tissues contain 95% carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulphur, with a total of 26 different elements.91 In another verse of the Qur'an we are told:

We created man from an extract of clay. (Qur'an, 23:12)

The Arabic word "sulala," translated as "extract" in the verse, means "representative example, essence." As we have seen, the information revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago confirms what modern science tells us-the fact that the same elements are employed in human creation as those found in the soil.
Below is a diagram showing the distribution of the elements in a 70-kilo human being.

Below is a diagram showing the distribution of the elements in a 70-kilo human being.

91. Kevin Griffin, “The Elemental Composition of Life,” www.ldeo.columbia.edu/dees/ees/life/lectures/lect21.html.

The Scientific Hypothesis

Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown. The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. "Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles," says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. "So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
Inherit, mutate, evolve
The genesis of genetic material and the emergence of cell structure are hot areas of research, but until now the two had not connected. The birth of genetic material was clearly crucial for life to take on its unique abilities to inherit, mutate and evolve.
And membranes were key to the physiology of cells because they protect their contents, concentrate chemicals to promote reactions and isolate successful genes from unsuccessful ones. "It's clear you really need both these elements to get evolution off the ground and running," says Szostak.
Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.
For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.
100-fold acceleration
Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.
"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.
His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.
Szostak admits that in a natural setting the vesicles would rarely be forced to divide in this way. So now his group is searching for different mixtures of membrane-forming molecules that might divide spontaneously when they reach a certain size.
Journal reference: Science (vol 302, p 618 )

Clay's matchmaking could have sparked life
Philip Cohen, NewScientist, October 23, 2003

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This isn't a refutation against the Mu'taziliyeen because the chemical composition of clay is

Al2O3 2SiO2 2H2O

but human tissue is carbon based

there is no carbon in the chemical composition of clay, and we only have trace elements of Aluminum, but it is one of the primary constituents of Clay.


If you say that humans were created from the "Sulala" of the clay; that means that they were not made from clay literally because "sulala" is derived substances which may be contained in clay, but not clay.

So actually this is refutation of literal creation from clay, not Mutaziliyeen

[Al Hanif]

So actually this is refutation of literal creation from clay

nope

[Afghanistan2010]

Aluminum Silicates and Smectite - Basic Building Blocks

http://www.eytonsearth.org/clay-chemistry.php

there are many variation of clay you have not heard of my son

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Interpretations of this ayah by some scholars:


"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth)."

(Surat Al-Mu'minun (The Beleivers): 12).

· Ibn-Kathir (RA) mentioned what can be summarized as: Allah describes the beginning of creation with Adam who was made from extracts of clay of altered black smooth mud. Ibn-Jarir also said that Adam’s name was derived from the word “mud” because he was created from it. Moreover, Qatada said that Adam came out of mud, hence, he is a creature of the soil. In addition, the Prophet (PBUH) said, "Allah has created Adam from a handful from all earth, so thesons of Adam came similar to earth, some of them are red, white, black and in between; evil, good and in between".
· “Safwat At-Tafasir” (The Essence of Interpretations), (may Allah reward its writer) includes an interpretation that the ayah that can be translated as, “And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).",is an answer to an implicit oath in the ayah as if it were to be said as “By Allah, We have created man from an essence and extract taken from mud." Referring to the word “man” in the ayah, Ibn - Abbas said, "He is Adam because he came out of mud".
· Other interpretations present a similar view, so I will not mention them to avoid repetition.

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So said the Prophet, the seal of all Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon them all, that the elements from which man is created gather in a bone at the end of the vertebral column (the coccyx), which he (PBUH) called the “tail-tip of the spinal chord”. According to the Prophet, this bone is in the magnitude of a mustard grain, and does not decay or gets consumed by earth after death. Scientific research has proved the authenticity of this statement: (Hans Spemann, 1935).
The Prophet (PBUH) added that on the Day of Judgment, Allah (SWT) will cause water to descend from the sky and people will sprout from their coccyx, like plants from their seeds.

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by Dr.Taghloul El-Naggar :

Those who are taken by the theory of organic evolution argue that this clay is the origin of creation; the origin of the first cell created on earth. The theory also claims that through division and multiplication, this cell gave birth to millions of life forms, where each form is represented by billions of individuals that lived on earth through gradual stages, until they reached the state of humans. Nevertheless, the holy Qur'an confirms that Allah (SWT) is the Creator of all things. Moreover, the genetic code and its complexity prove the necessity of the special creation of each kind.
Furthermore, the division of DNA points to the fact that if we review all the reserved DNA of all the billions of humans who live on earth today, those who died, and those who are yet to come until the Day of Judgment, we will find that they all originate from one genetic code found in the body of our father Adam (AS) the moment he was created.
Moreover, recent studies in molecular biology have proved the possibility of tracing biological races through mitochondrial DNA, which are micro molecules in the cell's liquid. Their mission is to support the living cell with the energy it needs. The DNA does not participate in the meiosis process for blending the genes of the parents, because it is taken from the mother's ovum only. This way, it would be possible to trace female generations back to great-grandmothers, until we come to the first mother Hawaa (Eve); this part of the mother's DNA does not change except by mutations inherited from a generation of mothers to another.
It has been discovered that all humans share one mitochondrial DNA that they have inherited from one grandmother who is the mother of all humanity, whose existence is assumed to have been 200,000 years ago. This scientific fact refutes the “Theory of Evolution” and the superstitions that claim man’s multiple origins; a theory supported by some western anthropologists that shattered humanity in fierce racial struggles based on such devilish ideas.
Indeed, Allah says the truth in His wisely revealed Book more than fourteen centuries ago; He says *"It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother’s wombs) and a place of storage (In the earth (in your graves) or in your father’s loins). Indeed, We have explained in detail Our revelations (the Qur’an) for people who understand." *

(Surat Al-An'am (The Cattle): 98)

This truth was discovered by human sciences only two decades ago, which proves that the source of this miraculous knowledge that came in the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago cannot be human, but only divine. Allah with His divine wisdom has blessed us with the Qur'an, and preserved it in its original form and language for more than fourteen centuries, until the day He inherits earth and all its creatures (the Day of Judgment). All the praises and thanks are to Allah for the grace of the Qur'an, for the grace of Islam, and for the grace of sending us our Master, the Most Noble Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Praise and thanks be to Allah for having assured He will preserve His sacred message until the Day of Judgment, so that it remains a reminder of Allah’s voice and a proof of the delivered message until the Day of Resurrection. Finally, Peace and Blessings be upon our Master, The Most Noble Prophet Muhammad, his family, companions, followers, and the callers for his message. Our last supplication is all the praises and thanks are to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).

[Alchemist]

Mu'tazali don't deny that Adam was created from clay...

It's only ****mitar's belief. And he is a modern "agnostic theist"...a heretic.

Don't bother with fatty.

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Aluminum Silicates and Smectite - Basic Building Blocks

Clay Chemistry - Bentonite, Illite, Montmorillonite ~ Mystery of Healing Clays


there are many variation of clay you have not heard of my son

So then we're made of oxygen, not clay


this is what you're proving......Oxygen is INSIDE clay, it's NOT clay

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Mu'tazali don't deny that Adam was created from clay...

It's only ****mitar's belief. And he is a modern "agnostic theist"...a heretic.

Don't bother with fatty.

Actually they do, Already refuted your mistranslations in religion section; you had a lot of phrasings in reverse.

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by Dr.Taghloul El-Naggar :

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Different topic; we're talking about whether discussing if the Literal Creation of Clay was true.

You just proved to us it's not true; because Silicate is not found in the composition of the physical structure of Humans.

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Different topic; we're talking about whether discussing if the Literal Creation of Clay was true.

You just proved to us it's not true; because Silicate is not found in the composition of the physical structure of Humans.

Oh no,you poor guy can't understand simple words....

you believe in tales not science.

When it comes to science and chemistry you have no knowledge....

extracts from clay were taken by Allah the most high as in the tafseer,and shaped it and it became mud.

Aluminum silicate, also known as aluminium silicate, is a mixture of aluminum, silica, and oxygen that can be either a mineral, or combined with water to form a clay. It can also combine with other elements to form various other minerals or clays. Some of these forms are used medicinally and industrially. They retain their strength at high temperatures — a property known as being refractory. Some of the minerals are used as gemstones.
Mineral aluminum silicate comes in three different forms — kyanite, andalusite, or sillimanite. They all have the chemical formula Al2SiO5, but they have different crystal structures. All three forms are rarely found in the same rock, because each occurs under different conditions of pressure and temperature. Only kyanite and sillimanite are used industrially.

If you want to discuss with me the chemistry of clay...

get this book read it and then come again

Orgin and mineralogy of clays: with 7 tables

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A full extract regarding this issue from a brother on TurntoIslam,

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18942

Linguistic implications of the Holy ayah:


Clay (Teen): It is soil mixed with water. It is mentioned in some of the Qur’anic ayahs like: *"and He began the creation of man from clay."* (TMQ, As-Sajda: 7),* "He it is Who has created you from clay:* (TMQ, Al-An'am: 2), *"Shall I prostrate myself to one whom You created from clay?"* (TMQ, Al- Isra': 61), *"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth)."* (TMQ, Al-Mu'minun: 12), *"O Haman, to bake (bricks out of) clay"* (TMQ, Al-Qasas: 38) (The Arabic verb is Taan: Motayan or Tayana: Tatyeenan, which some linguists may disagree with, and the noun Teena: means natural disposition.)



Extract (Solalah): Means the extract that is taken out in secret; it is what can be drawn out or separated from something else. While Ensal-la and Tasl-lala are two verbs that mean to withdraw from a group in secret, Sal-la or Asal-la (verbs) mean to take something out from its place. Saleel (noun) means the male descendant, and its feminine noun is Saleelah.



Toraab (Soil): It is a solid and tough substance formed from micro particles (very fine grains) in the size of those of clay and silt (1/16 of a millimeter of the grain's diameter, or 00.062 – of a millimeter). Because of their very small size, these particles can be carried by wind for long distances and for long periods, especially in whirlwinds. When the wind slows down, these particles drop to the earth.



Soil is the result of disintegration of rocks via erosion factors, especially chemical weathering of minerals and rocks. It can also be the outcome of volcanic eruptions, drizzles of sea salt, pollen, bacteria, smoke, and ash particles. Soil may merge with some other cosmic particles that come from outside the sphere like meteoric dust and cosmic dust.



Scientific implications of this Holy ayah:


First: the chemical structure of the human body confirms the relation between man and clay. The human body consists mainly of water (54% to 70% or more) in addition to protein (11% to 17%), fat (14% to 26%), and other several substances and inorganic components (5% to 6%). According to the chemical analysis of the basic substances of the human body, we can see that it is composed of the following elements:



· Oxygen 65%.

· Carbon 18%.

· Hydrogen 10%.

· Nitrogen 3%.

· Calcium 1.4%.

· Phosphorous 7%.



In addition, there are some less abundant substances like iodine, fluorine, bromine, iron, copper, magnesium, zinc, chrome, cobalt, nickel, molybdenum, tin, vanadium, silicon, and aluminum. However, despite their rarity, the shortage of any of these substances may cause an imbalance in the functions of the human body.



The components of the human body correspond in general with the chemical composition of soil when combined with water, i.e. clay. Generally, soil is made of a number of clay minerals that depend in their structure on hydrated aluminum silica, and exceed ten in number. They differ according to the degree of hydration, the percentage of both aluminum and silicon, or through the addition of other substances like magnesium, potassium, etc.



Moreover, clay minerals are combined (mixed) with different proportions of sand grains (quartz), feldspars, mica, iron oxides, and some heavy minerals, in addition to a small percentage of volcanic ashes, sea lime (calcareous) and salt particles, and ash particles that result from various combustive operations. Soil is also mixed with pollen and other plant remnants, bacteria and the remnants of other microorganisms, some remnants of cosmic and meteoritic dust, in addition to several other organic substances from the waste of various living creatures. This combination makes the chemical composition of soil and water very similar to that of the human body.



Soil is fragmented fine-grained sediment. Its granular diameter (clay) does not exceed 1/257 of a millimeter, even if mixed with some granules of silt (the diameter of its granule is 1/16 mm, 1/256 mm) and sand (1/4 – 1/16 mm.)



The proportion of porosity is as high as 70% to 80% in recently formed clay sediments. On the other hand, this proportion decreases to only 13% in old clay (mudstone) rocks, especially in shale. This high proportion of porosity in newly formed clay sediments increases after denudation (weathering) and transformation into soil. Soil pores fill with different ions of other substances, in addition to water, air and micro – wastes of living creatures. If the proportion of water increases, clay transforms into mud. The extraction from which man was created is the substances and compounds dissolving in the water held between the grains of clay metals and cracks that form clay.



Second: Man depends on plants as his main food resource and this confirms the link between humans and clay: The roots of plants absorb the substances and compounds dissolved in the water, which is stored between soil particles. Plants grow and produce different crops that man and several animals (herbivores) eat. Even creatures that eat both meat and plants (like humans), or those that eat meat only (carnivores), live, thrive, and grow depending on this blend absorbed by plants from the space between clay particles, and which turn into clay, and then into mud by watering. That is why Allah (SWT) created plants before animals and humans, because plants are the only means to transform ground substances into food chains, which are necessary for human and animal survival. Indeed, Allah says the truth in His wisely revealed Book more than fourteen centuries ago; He says what can be translated as:

- *"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay"* (TMQ, Al-Mu'minun: 12).

- *"Who made everything He has created good, and He began the creation of man from clay"* (TMQ, As-Sajdah: 7).

- *"And Allah has brought you forth from the (dust of) earth. Afterwards He will return you into it (the earth), and bring you forth" (again on the Day of Resurrection) *(TMQ, Nuh: 17, 18).

- Also His words said by His slave and Messenger Saleh (AS) when he spoke to his people:* "O my people! Worship Allah: you have no other Ilah (God) but Him. He brought you forth from the earth and settled you therein"* (TMQ, Hud: 61)



So said the Prophet, the seal of all Prophets and Messengers, peace be upon them all, that the elements from which man is created gather in a bone at the end of the vertebral column (the coccyx), which he (PBUH) called the “tail-tip of the spinal chord”. According to the Prophet, this bone is in the magnitude of a mustard grain, and does not decay or gets consumed by earth after death. Scientific research has proved the authenticity of this statement: (Hans Spemann, 1935).



The Prophet (PBUH) added that on the Day of Judgment, Allah (SWT) will cause water to descend from the sky and people will sprout from their coccyx, like plants from their seeds.



Third: After death, human bodies start to decompose and transform into clay extracts before they merge with the soil. The relation between the human body and soil with its water content (mud) reasserts by the huge correspondence between their chemical structures. The growth of the human body (from the embryonic stage up to maturity) depends on some ground substances and their dissolved compounds. These substances are stored between the clay particles that form the earth’s soil, which plants transform (by the Mighty power of Allah) into fruits and crops edible for man. They can also be transformed into grass, which is eaten by animals, making food for man. This marvelous food chain, in which plants play an enormous role, originally came out of this clay extract that consists of many substances and compounds absorbed by plant roots. This supports the ayah in which Allah says *"And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay"* (TMQ, Surat Al-Mu'minun: 12).



This truth is also confirmed by the fact that after death and decomposition, the body turns into dust. By reversing this cycle of creation, we will find that it starts with soil combined with water and then turned into mud. The water contained in the mud dissolves the dissolvable substances and compounds of soil. Among the particles of this clay, lies a more special extract (an extract of clay). By vaporizing the solutions that make this extract, its components stay between the particles of clay minerals, so clay stick together and become “sticky clay” (TMQ, As-Saffat: 11). After leaving this sticky clay to dry gradually, it starts to turn black and rotten *“sounding clay of altered black smooth mud”*(TMQ, Al-Hijr: 28), further dryness causes it to become *"sounding clay like the clay of pottery"* (TMQ, Ar-Rahman: 14). Finally, Allah breathes His soul into it so it becomes a man (Adam, father of humans).



When the soul leaves the body, the latter dries until it reaches the state of stone (clay). However, after burial, it starts gradual decomposition; an operation performed by the bacteria, fungi, algae, and viruses that lived within the body during life, and those living in the soil in which it is buried. Gradually, the color of the body changes; the body starts to have a rotten smell, and it becomes “sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.” Then it starts to decay completely and turn into sticky clay. Finally, the body's water content evaporates, and the body becomes part of the soil and merges with it, except for the coccyx that Allah (SWT) preserves with His mighty power until resurrection on the Day of Judgment.



The three arguments above support the reality Allah (SWT) revealed in the Qur’an fourteen centuries ago by saying: “And indeed we created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay.” Those who are taken by the theory of organic evolution argue that this clay is the origin of creation; the origin of the first cell created on earth. The theory also claims that through division and multiplication, this cell gave birth to millions of life forms, where each form is represented by billions of individuals that lived on earth through gradual stages, until they reached the state of humans. Nevertheless, the holy Qur'an confirms that Allah (SWT) is the Creator of all things. Moreover, the genetic code and its complexity prove the necessity of the special creation of each kind. Furthermore, the division of DNA points to the fact that if we review all the reserved DNA of all the billions of humans who live on earth today, those who died, and those who are yet to come until the Day of Judgment, we will find that they all originate from one genetic code found in the body of our father Adam (AS) the moment he was created.

Moreover, recent studies in molecular biology have proved the possibility of tracing biological races through mitochondrial DNA, which are micro molecules in the cell's liquid. Their mission is to support the living cell with the energy it needs. The DNA does not participate in the meiosis process for blending the genes of the parents, because it is taken from the mother's ovum only. This way, it would be possible to trace female generations back to great-grandmothers, until we come to the first mother Hawaa (Eve); this part of the mother's DNA does not change except by mutations inherited from a generation of mothers to another.

It has been discovered that all humans share one mitochondrial DNA that they have inherited from one grandmother who is the mother of all humanity, whose existence is assumed to have been 200,000 years ago. This scientific fact refutes the “Theory of Evolution” and the superstitions that claim man’s multiple origins; a theory supported by some western anthropologists that shattered humanity in fierce racial struggles based on such devilish ideas.

Indeed, Allah says the truth in His wisely revealed Book more than fourteen centuries ago; He says *"It is He Who has created you from a single person(Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother’s wombs) and a place of storage (In the earth (in your graves) or in your father’s loins). Indeed, We have explained in detail Our revelations (the Qur’an) for people who understand." * (TMQ, Al-An'am: 98)

This truth was discovered by human sciences only two decades ago, which proves that the source of this miraculous knowledge that came in the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago cannot be human, but only divine. Allah with His divine wisdom has blessed us with the Qur'an, and preserved it in its original form and language for more than fourteen centuries, until the day He inherits earth and all its creatures (the Day of Judgment). All the praises and thanks are to Allah for the grace of the Qur'an, for the grace of Islam, and for the grace of sending us our Master, the Most Noble Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Praise and thanks be to Allah for having assured He will preserve His sacred message until the Day of Judgment, so that it remains a reminder of Allah’s voice, and a proof of the delivered message until the Day of Resurrection. Finally, Peace and Blessings be upon our Master, The Most Noble Prophet Muhammad, his family, companions, followers, and the callers for his message. Our last supplication is all the praises and thanks are to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).

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Oh no,you poor guy can't understand simple words....

you believe in tales not science.

do I? where does science say that we're literally made from clay like the way a potter makes something?

When it comes to science and chemistry you have no knowledge....

extracts from clay were taken by Allah the most high as in the tafseer,and shaped it and it became mud.

Ok extracts ..and it became mud, why don't we find quartz, feldspar, silicates or rock in the composition of the human body?

If you want to discuss with me the chemistry of clay...

Ok let's discuss the chemistry of clay; Clay has Slicon, oxygen and aluminum, as elements of its molecular composition.

where does silicate form the composition of the human body?

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A full extract regarding this issue from a brother on TurntoIslam,
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth - www.TurnToIslam.com

This is the part you highlighted, read what he says carefully

Second: Man depends on plants as his main food resource and this confirms the link between humans and clay: The roots of plants absorb the substances and compounds dissolved in the water, which is stored between soil particles. Plants grow and produce different crops that man and several animals (herbivores) eat. Even creatures that eat both meat and plants (like humans), or those that eat meat only (carnivores), live, thrive, and grow depending on this blend absorbed by plants from the space between clay particles, and which turn into clay, and then into mud by watering. That is why Allah (SWT) created plants before animals and humans, because plants are the only means to transform ground substances into food chains, which are necessary for human and animal survival. Indeed, Allah says the truth in His wisely revealed Book more than fourteen centuries ago; He says what can be translated as:

Then this means This guy is refuting that humans were not literally made from clay He's saying that they're made from extracts of substances; which animals and plants use and humans use those. This is different from Being formed by clay, by taking a piece of clay. Which is the literal interpretation.

Even though he makes some scientific mistakes here; this author is saying tht human beings were made from Physical Materials that are in the earth, NOT clay itself.

Your source is actually refuting you