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**BarakzaiAbdali** · 01-15-2011, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

BarakzaiAbdali i am still not satisfied with your response. People like Mayana and GOE say that the General population is stupid. do you agree? do you agree that we are the most advanced nation in the world? technologically and militarily?

if your son is poor, he can get his b.s for free here in New York in a public university. I understand law school and med school is expensive but they need to take loans and pay it off. so there is no lack of education there are many opportunities for youngster.

i agree with you sir. my point is i do not support them. but i still love america and i will die for this nation of mine.

i agree with you again.

i want secularism in Afghanistan but i will never force it on afgans. if afghans choose to live a secular life style like you and I do here i will be happy since they will learn to be tolerant but if the afghan population enjoys living under Omar hotak i have no problems sir. I DO NOT SUPPORT AMERICAN INTERVENTION IN AFGHAN AFFAIRS. I THINK WHAT AMERICA DID WAS WRONG. WHO IS AMERICA TO TELL MY PEOPLE OF KANDAHAR HOW TO EAT AND DRINK WATER?

i am against all that sir. sir my point is that while i love secularism and i think secularism is the best since i have witnessed it first hand i will not force afghanistan to become secular i would rather educate them and have THEM MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. I WILL LET YOUR FAMILY IN KANDAHAR AND MY FAMILY IN KANDAHAR DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM.

i want women educated. i will do whatever i can to see women educated. but i answered this above sir.

Yes, I agree with you, the US is the most technologically advanced nation with an amazing abundance of resources that it should be thankful for. It has beautiful lands that stretch far and wide and are surrounded by two oceans of great consequence. I would answer you by saying that the American populace may very well be what you say in terms of the most literate and educated at the professional level and even at the basic levels. However, I would speaking out of order since I have not researched the data to confirm this aforementioned statement. I think this discussion could stretch out into infinity... but I will leave it where I find your answers to my questions pretty reasonable. I cannot vouch for the complexities of the German and American economies and how they weigh against each other in terms of interdependency because I am uneducated on such things. However, I will do my best to read up on these comparisons.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

I think blind patriotism is wrong. but i also think criticizing with nonsense arguments is also wrong. to say a general population is stupid means someone has no argument and they are just ignorant of world statistics.

look at me. I love America. I love New York but I hate what America is doing in Afghanistan and I debate with my professors every time i get a chance.

I think America is the most advanced nation in the world and I challenge people to bring forward an argument that proves me wrong.

When I see people say the general population of the USA is stupid I laugh cause if we are stupid than what does that make the rest of the world? mentally retarded?

No, sir, it does not.

You are part of a small elite and seem to assume that the rest of your nation is as intelligent, educated and mentally advanced as you are. I'd hate to burst your bubble and bring to you quotes from the streets of America.

I am not going to argue with you that America may or may not be the most advanced nation in the world, but that does not bring with it the nonplus-ultra-status of being the best in absolutely everything. You say that the USA are an educational empire, why then is it that the national IQ estimate of the US is 98 as compared to that of a nation like Singapore which is 103. If the 'educational empire' truly had that big of a civil impact, the USA would be the undisputed leader of the list, with the second being some 10-15 points behind them. But they're not.

You say 80% of the Top 20 universities in the world are in the US. Even if 100% of those were in the US it wouldn't have an impact on civil intelligence. It's easy to be stupid in America.

And don't start with "What has UK done? What has Timbuktu achieved?" - No one said anything about those nations, we as citizens of this country are pointing out its weaknesses so that they may be bettered.

**BarakzaiAbdali** · 01-15-2011, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

The German economy is probably smaller than the economy of the state of New York. We also have the most universities in the world with the highest enrollment figure in the world which means we produce a lot more brighter individuals.

We have more universities than EUROPE COMBINED.

just look at you sir can you look me in the face and tell me that you would have been a better physician if you were in Europe than what you are right now considering the advanced equipment and intelligent mentors you had??

can you look me in the face and tell me that Yale University can be compared to a Univeristy in Germany or switzerland?

I agree with your logic on this. However, we should always recognize our many benefits as a nation... but also rectify our wrongs. I am in agreement that I am privileged to be where I am. I can only hope to spread my barakah to my fellow Afghans.

**BarakzaiAbdali** · 01-15-2011, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

its not small or elite at all. what are you going to show me?? the same video on youtube that it speaks with 10 or 15 people? i can show you the same video about the uk does that mean there general population is stupid?

it is wrong to say the general population is stupid. it is not small or elite and that is something me and BA agreed on.
these are facts

the US is the most intelligent nation in the world. we have more college graduate than any nation in the world. AND WE HAVE THE BEST UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD. AND WE HAVE THE MOST UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD. that is not a small group. its more than any nation you can think of. we are the most advanced and modern. we spend more on research than europe combined.

we have categories and whether you like it or not we are the best.

retail businesses we are the best.
science we are the best.
technoeogy we are the best.
economy wise we are the best.
financially wise we are the best despite us struggling due to recession. OUR GDP IS EQUIVALENT TO THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN CONTINENT!!!

soccer? we are not the best.
Basketball? we are the best.

but as you can see SCIENCE, FIANCE, TECHNOLOGY, EDUCATION WE ARE THE BEST. THAT MIGHT SOUND COCKY BUT IT IS THE TRUTH. WE HAVE BETTER UNIVERSITIES THAN ANY NATION IN THE WORLD.

IF YOU MENTION ENGLAND I CAN SHOW YOU AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY THE BRITISH WHERE THEY SAID THEY NEED TO BE MORE LIKE AMERICANS IN TERMS OF EDUCATION. WE PRODUCE INTELLECTUALS AND WE HAVE PRODUCED GENIUSES.

LMAO.
[COLOR=Black]SINGAPORE POPULATION = 4,987,600 -
AMERICAN POPULATION = OVER 300 MILLION

NOW DOES THAT ANSWER YOU? WE HAVE MORE INTELLECTUALS THAN THEM ITS JUST THAT WE HAVE A FEW DUMB BUT OVERALL WE DWARF ANY NATION IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.

I DONT SAY IT. THE FACTS AND STATISTICS SAY IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT DOES IT DO? IT PRODUCES SCHOLARS AND INTELLECTS. IT PRODUCES PEOPLE LIKE NOAM CHOMSKY AND IT ATTRACTS BRIGHT INDIVIDUALS THAT BEG TO GET A BLUE AMERICAN PASSPORT. IT GIVES PEOPLE LIKE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN WITH HIGHER STANDARDS.

Wrorre, calm down. Its OK to be passionate... but be kind to folks. Mayana is a shezaa zaath.

**BarakzaiAbdali** · 01-15-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

please respond to my post on page 1 BarakzaiAbdali I have asked you to ponder upon Mayanas comment and let me know if the general population of America is stupid. sir.

It depends on what it comes down to. For example... when it comes to Iraq and backing a war.. it appears that clear majority of them were. However, they are not generally stupid when it comes to other things that might be more pertinent to them. For example, in engneering and medicine they are far from stupid.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:09 PM

We have been through this a dozen times, sir. There is no need for you to get emotional and go all caps on me.

I never asked "What does it do?". I, like you, am a resident of this country, I have eyes and ears of my own to see what this nation does and what it doesn't do.

SINGAPORE POPULATION = 4,987,600 -
AMERICAN POPULATION = OVER 300 MILLION

NOW DOES THAT ANSWER YOU? WE HAVE MORE INTELLECTUALS THAN THEM ITS JUST THAT WE HAVE A FEW DUMB WE DWARF ANY NATION IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.

Naturally, as populations increases, the number of intellectuals will increase. In terms of intelligence and dwarfing other nations in it: Statistics beg to differ. If Americans were the most intelligent people on the face of this planet, why then are there 18 nations with an higher average IQ?

I am not saying these things to attack you personally. So please don't take it as an insult. All I'm saying is that "Hey, we're doing good, we just need to fix this area and we will be even better."

**BLS_1919v2.0** · 01-15-2011, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

The German economy is probably smaller than the economy of the state of New York. We also have the most universities in the world with the highest enrollment figure in the world which means we produce a lot more brighter individuals.

We have more universities than EUROPE COMBINED.

just look at you sir can you look me in the face and tell me that you would have been a better physician if you were in Europe than what you are right now considering the advanced equipment and intelligent mentors you had??

can you look me in the face and tell me that Yale University can be compared to a Univeristy in Germany or switzerland?

Seriously Bro? Germany is in the top 5 of the world's largest economies, it is easily the backbone behind the Eurozone and if it hadn't been inhibited due to WW2, it would have been a military power as well. That doesn't mean it is better than USA, but be a little fair. Yale is no doubt among the elite schools of the world.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:24 PM

Lol Yes sir, we too get a tad bit of education here, I humbly think I do have a slight idea of how averages and statistics work.

Of course a smaller nations will have a smaller number of people with a high IQ as well as a smaller number of a people with a low IQ. A larger nation will have a higher number of people with a high IQ, but at the same time, will have a higher number of people with a low IQ.

This is not about the amount of people.

To average something out is to add up all those IQ scores and divide them by the number of the population so that you can get a fair and comparable number. So your argument abut America being larger than Singapore is invalid in terms of IQ values as the difference in population is already integrated in the average IQ scores.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

Do you agree that the USA has contributed more to the world in the 20th and 21st century than any nation in the world? Scientifically and Technologically?etc

Who said that it hasn't?

Nobody did. This is not about America's victories which we may celebrate and be happy about. This is about the weaknesses and flaws that still need to be worked on and improved - so that you may have even more to brag about.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

american can have
100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,10 0,80 80 80 80
singapore has
100,100,80

now who has more 100s? OBVIOUSLY AMERICA. that is my point.

It has 6 time as many scores and more 80s as well and that is my point.

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

But which country has more 100s? do you agree that the USA has more intellectuals than any nation in the world? It is difficult to maintain a high average when you are one of the most populous nations in the world but do you agree that it has more intellects and intelligent people?

Sir, let me explain to you statistical analysis.
If you have one basket of 50 apples with 10 red apples and 40 green apples;
and another basket of 500 apples with 90 red apples and 410 green apples,

then the second basket, no doubt, has more red apples. However the green/red ratios are different.
In the first basket, one of five, meaning 20% of the apples are going to be red.
In the second basket, 9 out of 50, meaning 18% of the apples are going to be red.

So, although the second basket is bigger and has more red apples. The first basket has a higher percentage of red apples.

**Admin Khan** · 01-15-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

But which country has more 100s? do you agree that the USA has more intellectuals than any nation in the world? It is difficult to maintain a high average when you are one of the most populous nations in the world but do you agree that it has more intellects and intelligent people?

Dear Shlombay,

The argument Mayana is making is quite simple and credible. She is saying there are nations that have higher IQ's on average than Americans. Which is very true. However, I do agree that the USA has intelligent people, and in terms of population, she obviously knows that the USA has far more intelligent people in the world. It's common sense. Her concern is that there is still room for growth, and that there is potential to do more. Besides, no nation has compared themselves to the USA, at least not yet.

Keywords:population, average.

Best,
-Admin

**Mayana** · 01-15-2011, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

my entire argument since the beginning of this thread is what you just said we have more apples and our apples are far more than any other nation in the world.

And my entire argument from the beginning of the thread was that there is still room to improve our red apple to green apple ratio.

**BLS_1919v2.0** · 01-15-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by shlombay

Germany has American troops. Why are American troops in Germany? you agree that it's not better so case closed. I respect germany and I have no problem with Germans comparign themselves to New York or California but to compare themselves to the USA???????????????? I laugh sir.

BLS don't be offended but countries like Canada, Germany, England cant be compared to the USA. It's a slaughter if you compare them.

That is my argument. that the USA is the most advanced and modern nation in the world. No nation can compete with the USA in those categories.

Khaana why would I be offended? So what if American troops are in Germany? Those things are relics of the cold war times, and have little relevance today. They could leave Germany and Germany would do just fine. Germans don't (I am pretty sure)..however this type of over the top patriotism doesn't really do anyone justice. Germans can be just as arrogant and say they are an old nation, with many great achievements under their belt, they bounced back from devastation and unified their nation. Their achievements to civilization are not something of 200 years old but far before that. These things go both ways my friend.

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