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Not too long ago, you all witnessed as I was maligned and called everything from a Talib to a Paki to a Porki to an Indian to a Panjabi. I was told that my nassl and Muhammadzai/Barakzai bloodline was inadequate and showed that I was not a loyal pashtoon of true blood. How quickly the tide turns.
Most importantly UnknownPrince, Wrayun and I were accused of being posters on Pak defense sites and other Pakistani sites.
Nonetheless, despite these charges laid against me, I love all my Muslim brothers whether they be my Kandahar brothers, the Pashtuns on the other side of the durand line, the Tajiks that are fighting for freedom, the dagestanis, the Indian Muslims, the Arabs that are trying their best, the reverts/converts, secularists etc.
Here is the deal:
It appears that there are links between Tajiks and one khel of the Yusufzai Pashtuns. It persists to this day per the data below. When I googled the terms, the best information I could find linking the two was by a poster in the Tajik and Paklinks forum.
I think that this individual/poster, LastoftheDinosaurs and Sultan Faghal Gabari are likely one in the same. They are both prolific posters who appear to be posting more and more often as of the last year.
First here is an interesting quote from a text book about this division of the Yusufzai from a text book called: History of the Afghans translated from the Persian Neamet Ullah. Volume 4.
“Although the servaties are not original Afghans, but having adopted the Afghan language and habits, and being mixed up with them, they go by the name of Afghansm abd are numbered among them... They Servatis emigrated to the kingdom of Pakhti, which likes between the dominion of the Yusufzyes and Kashmir, where they reside up this present day. They are broken up into three divisions: 1. Gebri; 2:Mutaravai; 3 Mumiali. The Gebries are said to descend partly from the family of Sultan Ovais, Sultan Bahram, Sultan Pakhal, and Sultan Jehangir... they originally are Tajiks...”
http://books.google.com/books?id=yTZ...Pakhal&f=false
Under this site LastoftheDinosaurs/SultanFaghalGaberi writes about his ancestory:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-l...ncestry-2.html
"Time back I got interested in my roots. I found many geneologies of my community that linked us to Hadrat Ali through Sikandar Zulqarnain (probably Alexander the Great), which obviously is ridiculous.
Anyhow, my first ancestor, according to a 17th Century source, was Sultan Shamus, who had son Sultan Hinda, who had son Sultuan Kehjaman, who was Sultan of "Panj".
Sultan Kehjaman called Sulatn Panj had two sons; Sultan *Bahram and Sultan *Pakhal. Sultan Pakhal established rule at Swat, Bajaur, Hazara, and Kashmir (Pakhli a place in Hazara Division is named after him). Sultan Bahram established rule at Nangarhar, Laghman, and Panjsher. This probably happened in the first half of 14th Century.
when Amir Taimur attacked India (1398), at that time, Sultan Qiran, grand son of Sultan Behram was ruling his domain in Laghman and Nangarhar. Sultan Qiran was defeated but left as a local ruler by Amir Taimur.
Last notable person in my ancestry was Malak Daud Pai who lived somehere in 1450-1480.
When Yousafzai Pashtuns were doing north-eastward migration from Kabul to Peshawar Valley and Swat, my community moved with them as allies and then were assimilated in Yousazai as a new "khel" or clan and are now called "Papin Khel".
After a thorough research about my roots I roughly established that my ancestors came from Andarab in Northern Afghanistan and most probably were Galcha Tajiks (also called mountain Tajiks).
A 17th Century source says that some of our ancestors also moved to Kashmir. I heard there are some Andarabis there. Do they have some relation to Andarab of Nortern Afghanistan?"
LastoftheDinosaurs/SultanFaghalGabari wrote under the Tajik forum the following:
http://tajikam.com/forums/index.php?..._1&#entry15223
"Sultan Kehjaman called Sulatn Panj had two sons; Sultan Bahram and Sultan Pakhal. Sultan Pakhal established rule at Swat, Bajaur, Hazara, and Kashmir (Pakhli a place in Hazara Division is named after him). Sultan Bahram established rule at Nangarhar, Laghman, and Panjsher. This probably happened in the first half of 14th Century.
when Amir Taimur attacked India (1398), at that time, Sultan Qiran, grand son of Sultan Behram was ruling his domain in Laghman and Nangarhar. Sultan Qiran was defeated but left as a local ruler by Amir Taimur."
Most ominously, he posts here and says the following to his Tajik comrades regarding the nexus between the Tajiks and Pakistan:
http://tajikam.com/forums/index.php?...miali-mitravi/
"Sohrab, on 05 October 2010 - 12:44 AM, said:
is there any website/forum for the tajiks of paksitan? i know one site for wakhi tajiks, but any other one? or do the gabars have any society?
bro gabaris are strong people like i told you before dont know about internet but we do have two MNAs and 8 MPAs many army generals and federal sectretaries."
Finally, I saw this today and this sparked my desire to understand more about all the aforementioned:
Nonetheless, welcome my brother, I truly accept you as a guest on our Pashtoon grounds and look forward to getting to know you. No matter what your blood line or your true country of origin (if it is Pakistan) or your nassl, you will always be my Muslim brother.
All the best,
BarakzaiAbdali
Not too long ago, you all witnessed as I was maligned and called everything from a Talib to a Paki to a Porki to an Indian to a Panjabi. I was told that my nassl and Muhammadzai/Barakzai bloodline was inadequate and showed that I was not a loyal pashtoon of true blood. How quickly the tide turns.
Most importantly UnknownPrince, Wrayun and I were accused of being posters on Pak defense sites and other Pakistani sites.
Nonetheless, despite these charges laid against me, I love all my Muslim brothers whether they be my Kandahar brothers, the Pashtuns on the other side of the durand line, the Tajiks that are fighting for freedom, the dagestanis, the Indian Muslims, the Arabs that are trying their best, the reverts/converts, secularists etc.
Here is the deal:
It appears that there are links between Tajiks and one khel of the Yusufzai Pashtuns. It persists to this day per the data below. When I googled the terms, the best information I could find linking the two was by a poster in the Tajik and Paklinks forum.
I think that this individual/poster, LastoftheDinosaurs and Sultan Faghal Gabari are likely one in the same. They are both prolific posters who appear to be posting more and more often as of the last year.
First here is an interesting quote from a text book about this division of the Yusufzai from a text book called: History of the Afghans translated from the Persian Neamet Ullah. Volume 4.
“Although the servaties are not original Afghans, but having adopted the Afghan language and habits, and being mixed up with them, they go by the name of Afghansm abd are numbered among them... They Servatis emigrated to the kingdom of Pakhti, which likes between the dominion of the Yusufzyes and Kashmir, where they reside up this present day. They are broken up into three divisions: 1. Gebri; 2:Mutaravai; 3 Mumiali. The Gebries are said to descend partly from the family of Sultan Ovais, Sultan Bahram, Sultan Pakhal, and Sultan Jehangir... they originally are Tajiks...”
http://books.google.com/books?id=yTZ...Pakhal&f=false
Under this site LastoftheDinosaurs/SultanFaghalGaberi writes about his ancestory:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-l...ncestry-2.html
"Time back I got interested in my roots. I found many geneologies of my community that linked us to Hadrat Ali through Sikandar Zulqarnain (probably Alexander the Great), which obviously is ridiculous.
Anyhow, my first ancestor, according to a 17th Century source, was Sultan Shamus, who had son Sultan Hinda, who had son Sultuan Kehjaman, who was Sultan of "Panj".
Sultan Kehjaman called Sulatn Panj had two sons; Sultan *Bahram and Sultan *Pakhal. Sultan Pakhal established rule at Swat, Bajaur, Hazara, and Kashmir (Pakhli a place in Hazara Division is named after him). Sultan Bahram established rule at Nangarhar, Laghman, and Panjsher. This probably happened in the first half of 14th Century.
when Amir Taimur attacked India (1398), at that time, Sultan Qiran, grand son of Sultan Behram was ruling his domain in Laghman and Nangarhar. Sultan Qiran was defeated but left as a local ruler by Amir Taimur.
Last notable person in my ancestry was Malak Daud Pai who lived somehere in 1450-1480.
When Yousafzai Pashtuns were doing north-eastward migration from Kabul to Peshawar Valley and Swat, my community moved with them as allies and then were assimilated in Yousazai as a new "khel" or clan and are now called "Papin Khel".
After a thorough research about my roots I roughly established that my ancestors came from Andarab in Northern Afghanistan and most probably were Galcha Tajiks (also called mountain Tajiks).
A 17th Century source says that some of our ancestors also moved to Kashmir. I heard there are some Andarabis there. Do they have some relation to Andarab of Nortern Afghanistan?"
LastoftheDinosaurs/SultanFaghalGabari wrote under the Tajik forum the following:
http://tajikam.com/forums/index.php?..._1&#entry15223
"Sultan Kehjaman called Sulatn Panj had two sons; Sultan Bahram and Sultan Pakhal. Sultan Pakhal established rule at Swat, Bajaur, Hazara, and Kashmir (Pakhli a place in Hazara Division is named after him). Sultan Bahram established rule at Nangarhar, Laghman, and Panjsher. This probably happened in the first half of 14th Century.
when Amir Taimur attacked India (1398), at that time, Sultan Qiran, grand son of Sultan Behram was ruling his domain in Laghman and Nangarhar. Sultan Qiran was defeated but left as a local ruler by Amir Taimur."
Most ominously, he posts here and says the following to his Tajik comrades regarding the nexus between the Tajiks and Pakistan:
http://tajikam.com/forums/index.php?...miali-mitravi/
"Sohrab, on 05 October 2010 - 12:44 AM, said:
is there any website/forum for the tajiks of paksitan? i know one site for wakhi tajiks, but any other one? or do the gabars have any society?
bro gabaris are strong people like i told you before dont know about internet but we do have two MNAs and 8 MPAs many army generals and federal sectretaries."
Finally, I saw this today and this sparked my desire to understand more about all the aforementioned:
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All the best,
BarakzaiAbdali
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