Islamic Dress

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Foreign means foreign to my religious-based civilization. Also, when I look at classic paintings of Persians and Mughals the people and royalty are depicted wearing a garment that resembles the "Arabic" Thawb.

You're fooling yourself

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[Why should we copy Europeans?

You ask this but earlier you tried to make it seem like Saudis imitating The Fast & Furious movies was Sunnah lol

[salman47]

As usual nothing constructive to say, the sign of an uneducated or otherwise unintelligent person. When will you actually make a contribution to the discussions on this discussion board. Do you intend only to make sly remarks and personal attacks? I mean, since you can’t actually make any academic argument is it necessary to compensate for that by threatening people with violence like a typical illiterate Pathan?

The only one that doesn't make sense is you.
You come from an Indian(culture) Background.
There is no 'Islamic Culture' but you made one(according to you Islamic Culture=Arabic Culture).
You hate European Culture and your 'Native Culture'(Indian Culture).
You would rather be an Arab, speaking Arabic, wearing Arabic, Eating Arabic,, than be yourself.

That says a lot about you!

P.S. Again there is no Islamic Culture.
There are Cultures that can be Islamic. But no standalone Islamic Culture.
No culture(or race) is superior over the others.
Arabs are not special(dont say 'Quran is in Arabic' argument again).
It is sad you guys(most Indians) sink that low(Inferiority complex), i.e. Hating your natural background(where you come from, your culture and stuff).
But i am sure this won't get through your thick head.

Try to disprove any of my arguments in this comment I dare you.

[Samandri]

Mughal painting of 1590 AD showing Prince Daniyal (son of Akbar). Note the dress and compare it with Arab's thawb



My point is Zulfiqar is seeing Arabic thawb in every dress , possibly due to effect of some drug.

[ذو الفقار]

The only one that doesn't make sense is you.
You come from an Indian(culture) Background.

I do indeed.

There is no 'Islamic Culture' but you made one(according to you Islamic Culture=Arabic Culture).

Islamic culture means a culture that is based on Islam.

You hate European Culture and your 'Native Culture'(Indian Culture).

What's wrong with hating a culture? Should I love every culture? What's wrong with hating your own culture? If anything it proves that I am an unbiased person who is open minded.

You would rather be an Arab, speaking Arabic, wearing Arabic, Eating Arabic,, than be yourself.

I would like to continue to learn Arabic not to be part of Arab culture but to better learn about my religious texts like Quran and other Islamic literature which is primarily written in Arabic.

The thawb is not unique to Arabic culture. Even if it was, I don't wear the thawb to be part of Arab culture, but to imitate the dress of my Prophet (peace be upon him).

But no standalone Islamic Culture.

The Prophet created a unique culture which is based upon his Sunna lifestyle. Many aspects of that unique culture based on his Sunna actually clashed with the standard Arab culture of his time.

From the Sunna is to eat cucumbers, dates, and melons. This was the ordinary food of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

Someone mentioned that Arabs like to eat lizard. I heard some of them even drink camel urine. They also smoke 'Sheesha', it is considered an integral part of common Arab culture. But I avoid this kind of culture because it is against the Prophet's Sunna. I want to follow Sunna culture not Arab culture.

No culture(or race) is superior over the others.

Culture is not synonymous with race. Most definitely some cultures are superior to others.

Arabs are not special(dont say 'Quran is in Arabic' argument again).
It is sad you guys(most Indians) sink that low(Inferiority complex), i.e. Hating your natural background(where you come from, your culture and stuff).

Why should I like Indian culture just because I am of Indian descent? I hate a lot of aspects of Indian culture. I hate their obsession with music and dance. I hate that it is very much a matriarchal culture. I hate that it is a culture that is very much rooted in Vedic religion and philosophy, and not the Semitic/Abrahamic religion and philosophy that I subscribe to.

There are lot of other aspects of Indian culture I hate, and lot of aspects of other cultures such as Chinese, European, Latin American, African, etc.

But it's not so much a matter of hating other cultures, its more a matter of me loving Islamic culture that I have no time for other cultures.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Zulfi has his lines crossed with so much self hatred that he's confused Islam with Imitating Arab cultural dress. it's sad ....

[ذو الفقار]

Zulfi has his lines crossed with so much self hatred that he's confused Islam with Imitating Arab cultural dress. it's sad ....

Self-hatred is to hate yourself.

Since I don't identify with Indian culture, heritage or civilization I can't be accused of self-hatred.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Self-hatred is to hate yourself.

Since I don't identify with Indian culture, heritage or civilization I can't be accused of self-hatred.

In other words, you're attempting to rebrand your self hatred by calling it something else.

[SavageCurry]

In other words, you're attempting to rebrand your self hatred by calling it something else.

Yeah I dislike dumb Muslims who put Arabs on some kind of pedestal like they are supposed to have a form of authority on Islam, very apostatic/unIslamic btw since God is the only authority, unless these fools believe God is supposed to have a favorite group and out of all that may exist in the universe that would be Arabs. lol.

[maneatinglizard]

Seeing this thread reminded me of our dearly departed friend, Dhul-Fiqar, so I took a look at his blog, and found something pretty hilarious. Apparently he now believes that Ghulam Ahmad received a revelation from Allah (subhana wa taala) about him! Here's the post:

رَبَّ جِبْرِيلَ وَمِيكَائِيلَ وَإِسْرَافِيلَ أَعِذْنِي مِنْ حَرِّ النَّارِ وَعَذَابِ الْقَبْرِ: Ilham Concerning Me: "O Abdal Qadir I Am With You"

Ilham Concerning Me: "O Abdal Qadir I Am With You"

بسم الله الرحمـن الرحيم

والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده

وعلى آله واهل بيته اجمعين

For those readers who are unaware, my name is Mohammed Abdul Khader. This is my birth name which appears on my birth certificate; the name given to me by my father.


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (d. 1908), who claimed to be the Promised Messiah, received inspirations from Allah concerning myself. For example, an inspiration given to him in 1883:




Tadkirah (English); p. 113

Then on May 27, 1905, he received the following inspiration concerning myself:




Tadkirah (English); p. 724

I had suspected that he was mentally ill early on when he randomly decided to post a picture of himself. Now it's pretty obvious that he does suffer from something lol.

[ذو الفقار]

I had suspected that he was mentally ill .

If I'm mentally ill then you are an atheist who considers any disclosing of a divine inspiration as either an intentional lie or mental illness.

[salman47]

If I'm mentally ill then you are an atheist who considers any disclosing of a divine inspiration as either an intentional lie or mental illness.

Then it makes you an Atheist as well!!
You really need to open a dictionary and learn what the word 'Atheism' means.

[ذو الفقار]

Then it makes you an Atheist as well!!
You really need to open a dictionary and learn what the word 'Atheism' means.

How am I an atheist?

Atheists necessarily deny all divine inspirations and revelations without discrimination. They immediately dismiss any claimant of divine inspiration as either a liar or delusional.

Since maneatinglizard has done exactly that, I have compared him to atheist.

[salman47]

How am I an atheist?

Atheists necessarily deny all divine inspirations and revelations without discrimination. They immediately dismiss any claimant of divine inspiration as either a liar or delusional.

Since maneatinglizard has done exactly that, I have compared him to atheist.

If you analyze all of [MENTION=19985]maneatinglizard[/MENTION] 's comments under a microsoft, no where does he say anything that will make one think that he is an Atheist.

[ذو الفقار]

If you analyze all of [MENTION=19985]maneatinglizard[/MENTION] 's comments under a microsoft, no where does he say anything that will make one think that he is an Atheist.

He shares with the atheists the idea that anyone who claims to have a divine inspiration or vision is "mentally ill".

On my blog, I have written a brilliant 4-part series on the reality of divine inspiration in Islam, especially to non-Prophets, with dozens of references from the sacred Texts:

رَبَّ جِبْرِيلَ وَمِيكَائِيلَ وَإِسْرَافِيلَ أَعِذْنِي مِنْ حَرِّ النَّارِ وَعَذَابِ الْقَبْرِ: Continuation of Divine Inspiration (Part 1)

Whether the lizard-eater is an atheist or not, he certainly is ignorant of basic Islam.