Islamic Dress

[salman47]

What's wrong?

'Your dress is superior than your Northern Kins '
This is stupid.

[maneatinglizard]

Getting tired of this Qadiani coming here and trying to explain our religion to us.

The length of Rasulullah's (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) Qamees is usually mentioned to be a little longer than how long we keep it, and if a person wears a longer khat out of love for the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam), inshallah he'll be rewarded for it.

However, the most important aspects of dress for a Muslim are modesty and uniqueness to Muslims, and our style of clothing have both qualities in spades Alhamdulillah. Moreover, a person who accepts a lying idiot as a prophet and spiritual guide has far bigger issues to contend with than Sunnah clothing.

[Manzareh]

One of the signs that Islam is strong in a certain country is the dress. Y

Not true, plenty of wolves in sheep clothing. Never judge a book by its cover.

[ذو الفقار]

Not true, plenty of wolves in sheep clothing. Never judge a book by its cover.

Plenty of wolves in sheep's clothing...but sheep always outnumber the wolves

[Manzareh]

Plenty of wolves in sheep's clothing...but sheep always outnumber the wolves

Ok you clearly do not understand analogies. What i meant was your statement about 'sign that islam is stong is the dress sense' is a load of rubbish since some of the most corrupt and disgusting people in the world have the longest beards and wear thobe/jubba/shalwar/khat purtug/scarf.

[Charsi Malang]

Ok you clearly do not understand analogies. What i meant was your statement about 'sign that islam is stong is the dress sense' is a load of rubbish since some of the most corrupt and disgusting people in the world have the longest beards and wear thobe/jubba/shalwar/khat purtug/scarf.

Thank you rude geeza!

Look at the Arabs walking around in their uniform who grace all the casinos and top class brothels in the summer in the West.
Someone once told me that back home- anyone with a beard is not to be trusted at all.

[ذو الفقار]

Ok you clearly do not understand analogies. What i meant was your statement about 'sign that islam is stong is the dress sense' is a load of rubbish since some of the most corrupt and disgusting people in the world have the longest beards and wear thobe/jubba/shalwar/khat purtug/scarf.

Yes, but the most corrupt and evil people in the world are wearing suit and ties.

[Manzareh]

Yes, but the most corrupt and evil people in the world are wearing suit and ties.

Not true. The kings of Saudi do not wear suits.

[ذو الفقار]

Not true. The kings of Saudi do not wear suits.

Are the Kings of Saudi the only evil people in the world?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Are the Kings of Saudi the only evil people in the world?

You said most corrupt ....not "only evil people"

Sorry, but the days of fooling people by "looking pious" are over. We've seen too many Show-glass pious people who turn out to be wretched to be fooled by that. What else can you demonstrate than wearing a kufi and using miswak?

[ذو الفقار]

You said most corrupt ....not "only evil people"

Sorry, but the days of fooling people by "looking pious" are over. We've seen too many Show-glass pious people who turn out to be wretched to be fooled by that. What else can you demonstrate than wearing a kufi and using miswak?

Wearing a kufi and thobe is itself an act of piety in its essence, not merely an attempt to give the impression of being pious to others. In the context of us Muslims, those who wear European style are the ones who should be looked at as actively and consciously being different. I do not accept that European style clothing is the norm or standard for Muslims, and wearing a kufi and thobe is an attempt to be different, rather it is the opposite.

The defining expression of Islam is praying Salat / Namaz. Every aspect of Islamic culture, lifestyle and civilization is meant to revolve around this daily worship, including clothing. European clothing is meant for a lifestyle where you aren't routinely bowing and prostrating.

Not just clothing, you will notice so many aspects of European lifestyle are like this. Even the setup of the modern standard house. It's bathroom puts the toilet next to the bath tub. An Islamic house would have a Wudu area for optimal and efficient offering of Wudu, a room set aside as a Musalla, and the layout such that it is easy to partition men and women when there are guests.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Wearing a kufi and thobe is itself an act of piety in its essence, not merely an attempt to give the impression of being pious to others. In the context of us Muslims, those who wear European style are the ones who should be looked at as actively and consciously being different. I do not accept that European style clothing is the norm or standard for Muslims, and wearing a kufi and thobe is an attempt to be different, rather it is the opposite.

The defining expression of Islam is praying Salat / Namaz. Every aspect of Islamic culture, lifestyle and civilization is meant to revolve around this daily worship, including clothing. European clothing is meant for a lifestyle where you aren't routinely bowing and prostrating.

Not just clothing, you will notice so many aspects of European lifestyle are like this. Even the setup of the modern standard house. It's bathroom puts the toilet next to the bath tub. An Islamic house would have a Wudu area for optimal and efficient offering of Wudu, a room set aside as a Musalla, and the layout such that it is easy to partition men and women when there are guests.

Now a days it is exactly an act of trying to pretend to be pious. It's an attempt at cloak oneself by exploiting social currency.. Even some Christian Evangelists have caught on and travel to Muslim countries dressing as Pious Muslims when they're actually trying to persuade gulliible Muslims to convert to Christianity.

So no, it no longer has that value you once had attached for it. The idealization you attach to it is no longer valid .... Now a days when we see bearded guys with kufis, it no longer implies that they're genuinely pious. That doesn't mean wearing kufi and thawb is bad, but it's been contaminated to the point that no one takes it seriously. You have to prove your merit by your actions.

And this is reinforced by the fact I know many black converts to Islam that wear Kufis and eat bacon. lol

[ذو الفقار]

Now a days it is exactly an act of trying to pretend to be pious. It's an attempt at cloak oneself by exploiting social currency.. Even some Christian Evangelists have caught on and travel to Muslim countries dressing as Pious Muslims when they're actually trying to persuade gulliible Muslims to convert to Christianity.

So no, it no longer has that value you once had attached for it. The idealization you attach to it is no longer valid .... Now a days when we see bearded guys with kufis, it no longer implies that they're genuinely pious. That doesn't mean wearing kufi and thawb is bad, but it's been contaminated to the point that no one takes it seriously. You have to prove your merit by your actions.

And this is reinforced by the fact I know many black converts to Islam that wear Kufis and eat bacon. lol

As I said, from the Islamic perspective, wearing a kufi and thawb is itself an action through which you are building your merit. It is not the end all or be all. I agree that nowadays a lot of Muslims think piety is restricted to how you dress and that is quite superficial. Islam is very vast and dress is only one aspect of it. It should not be over emphasized to the extent that other expressions of piety are neglected. Everything has to be in moderation.

But the reason why nowadays dress is playing such an important role is precisely because the affect of European colonization which resulted in this radical change in dress and appearance.

Imagine, for instance, that one of the affects of European colonialism was that Muslims no longer paid much attention to the dietary restrictions of Islam. So while Muslims know that they shouldn't eat bacon, they don't consider it a big deal, and most Muslims eat pork. Then those Muslims who are trying to be more religious would be identifiable in their unique habit of refraining from pork and eating only Halal. We would have the same phenomenon where people like you are saying these Muslims that don't eat pork are trying to act all pious but I know plenty examples of such Muslims who use foul language (for example). Now isn't what comes out of one's mouth more important than what goes into it?

This is in the hypothetical scenario where eating pork has become the norm and you are singling yourself out by not eating pork. So understand my point from this perspective. Because Muslims have by and large adapted European dress and European habit of shaving facial hair, those Muslims who cling to the old practice are now seen as odd and making themselves stand out, which makes people like you get the impression that they are trying to be pious, when in reality it is simple going in the direction of decolonization.

Now you mentioned that you know many black converts who wear kufis but eat bacon. It is because they have been introduced to a type of Islam which emphasizes one aspect of Islam (dress) over another (dietary restrictions). They eat bacon because before they converted to Islam they had the habit of eating bacon. After their conversion, they got the impression that being a Muslim is about wearing a kufi, and that while eating bacon is wrong, it is more important to wear a kufi than eat Halal. Obviously they are wrong and need to be educated. Keep wearing your kufi but eat Halal also, enter into Islam completely, don't be selective about what you practice.

[salman47]

Wearing a kufi and thobe is itself an act of piety in its essence, not merely an attempt to give the impression of being pious to others. In the context of us Muslims, those who wear European style are the ones who should be looked at as actively and consciously being different. I do not accept that European style clothing is the norm or standard for Muslims, and wearing a kufi and thobe is an attempt to be different, rather it is the opposite.

The defining expression of Islam is praying Salat / Namaz. Every aspect of Islamic culture, lifestyle and civilization is meant to revolve around this daily worship, including clothing. European clothing is meant for a lifestyle where you aren't routinely bowing and prostrating.

Not just clothing, you will notice so many aspects of European lifestyle are like this. Even the setup of the modern standard house. It's bathroom puts the toilet next to the bath tub. An Islamic house would have a Wudu area for optimal and efficient offering of Wudu, a room set aside as a Musalla, and the layout such that it is easy to partition men and women when there are guests.

For your 'Arabic' clothing obsession(which is equally foriegn to you just as the 'European' clothing you dont like): If Islam was a person, it would whole-heartedly disagree with you.

[ذو الفقار]

For your 'Arabic' clothing obsession(which is equally foriegn to you just as the 'European' clothing you dont like): If Islam was a person, it would whole-heartedly disagree with you.

Foreign means foreign to my religious-based civilization. Also, when I look at classic paintings of Persians and Mughals the people and royalty are depicted wearing a garment that resembles the "Arabic" Thawb.