Support shuttlecock burqa

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Graney khorey
da asey bakwas kayee ,prey yeda che lagya yee.
nwar pe dwa goto ne petegey.

dey chartha wikipedia aw google ke se lwasteley dey aw os koshesh kayee che zemung culture aw folklore barey ke mung ta sabaq rakey..

mazghe dey pe me khora.

I always loved that saying

[ScimitarXEdge]

I think roadrunner has run out of words to say. He was clearly OWNED here.

anyone who thinks that Kabul CITY was Pakhtun in the 1500's clearly has no idea what they're talking about.

[roadrunner]

did i got it wrong or they mean the persain is th women who show her face while they didnt say any thing about the burqa one , right

oooook if i got it wrong then what about the other pic

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-sorry if i was rude but i waste ma time and u still dont understand and still saying its not :S LOL
lol i should keep the fake pic with good history num LOL but i didnt like to to but fake pic even its not lie LOL

What about the second picture? I see rifles. Rifles werent invented till the 15th century, and those ones not until the 17th or 18th century.

Can we now establish that i mean from around the 14th century evidence?

[roadrunner]

lol, maybe roadrunner needs to get his eyes checked. Fahd is talking about the woman with the burqa next to the qizilbash woman. Its ok, i could not see it at first either.

NO, the burqa is not a Chines or Persian tradition LOL

Its Afghan. end of discussion

I saw the Burqa the first time it was posted. But it was still of a Persian woman. The Burqa in the background might even have been her dress for all you can see.

The point is that usually women like the Qizilbash would associate with each other. I believe the Burqa was introduced into Afghanistan via Persia.

I've given you evidence that face veiling was not an Afghan tradition, it was Arab and Chinese. You ignore it, but do not disprove it. It is easier that way.

[faye]

roadrunner, i give you 10 out of 10 for persistence.

[roadrunner]

the point is that veiling is undoubtedly an age-old pashtun tradition but the sophiscated chadari has been traditionally, in afghanistan, a practice primarily of farsizaban women and later adopted by pashtuns.

that is not to say, however, that covering and veiling in itself is not a historical pashtun tradition, because it is and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for this.

Face veiling is a historical Pashtun tradition with LOTS of evidence?

Do present just ONE bit of this LOT. Because there's lots of evidence you should be able to present some evidence for traditional veil wearing in Afghanistan prior to the 15th or 16th centuries.

Come on.. there's LOTS OF EVIDENCE. It's so easy.

[roadrunner]

Many Anthropologists would disagree; some would argue that martial prowess is how societies became viable.

huh?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Photography wasn't invented until 1879.

I'll repeat. The veil/Burqa is not a Pashtun tradition. It has only been used by Pashtun women in the last few hundred years as a result of foreigners trying to attack Pashtun lands.

Find something from 1400. That would strengthen your argument. I say 1400, because I know before 1100 there was no such veiling at all.

Where does it say it was due to foreigners trying to attack Pashtun lands


GIVE CITATIONS FOR ONCE ....if you can scoff and call other peoples citations "bogus"

how much more bogus is YOUR claim without cited references?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Face veiling is a historical Pashtun tradition with LOTS of evidence?

Do present just ONE bit of this LOT. Because there's lots of evidence you should be able to present some evidence for traditional veil wearing in Afghanistan prior to the 15th or 16th centuries.

Come on.. there's LOTS OF EVIDENCE. It's so easy.

There's more evidence for face veiling than for not


you dont and have no presented any evidence, even your Akbarnama had no females in it if you bothered to actually look.


after all wasn't it you who thought Kabul was inhabited with Pashtuns in the 1500's? LOL

[randolph85]

well to be fair, there is evidence of pashtuns inhabiting kabul during those times. sources himself include babur himself and others such as ibn battuta. as for everything else roadrunner says....lol

http://books.google.com/books?id=zKq...page&q&f=false

[ScimitarXEdge]

well to be fair, there is evidence of pashtuns inhabiting kabul during those times. sources himself include babur himself and others such as ibn battuta. as for everything else roadrunner says....lol

http://books.google.com/books?id=zKq...page&q&f=false

But let's be contextually valid all of what was now known as present day Afghanistan was called Kabul

in Babur says Kabul city itself, that Kabul was Tajik populated; I quoted that earlier in the thread.

The situation depicted in the miniature that Roadrunner put up was of Kabul City.

[randolph85]

But let's be contextually valid all of what was now known as present day Afghanistan was called Kabul

in Babur says Kabul city itself, that Kabul was Tajik populated; I quoted that earlier in the thread.

The situation depicted in the miniature that Roadrunner put up was of Kabul City.

well in the link i provided, there is a distinction of cities where kandahar and ghazni are mentioned.

can u provide the link about babur? this thread is pretty deep.

[roadrunner]

Where does it say it was due to foreigners trying to attack Pashtun lands


GIVE CITATIONS FOR ONCE ....if you can scoff and call other peoples citations "bogus"

how much more bogus is YOUR claim without cited references?

Scimitar, why are you trolling me?

how many more times do I have to give citations. I have given this citation 3 times already

When I give them, YOU et al seem to ignore them.

Here is a solid citation

Originally, it was the Chinese who kept women strictly covered thousands of years ago. In the varying dynasties, white was the preferred colour of full body cloaking, red for weddings. The reasoning behind this full covering for women was none other than wealth: hiding one’s jewellery and fine silk clothes from potential thieves was essential, and a woman was not permitted to leave her house without being covered from head to toe. For members of the aristocracy, they were also concealed underneath layers of curtains surrounding their carriages, suspended upon wooden poles and lifted by servants even if merely travelling from one house to another next door. Furthermore, every person on the street was required to turn around and look away until the procession had passed. Until the end of theQing dynasty in the 20th century, this remained Chinese custom.
Next door to China in Afghanistan, women covered because of the climate, as was the case in varying forms throughout the world, whether heavy fur coats, hats and gloves, or gossamer sarongs.

Afghan women did not, however, veil their faces like the Chinese, nor the Arabs to the West - who wore veils for practical reasons and to fend off blistering desert sandstorms.

Afghan women instead resorted to warm practical clothes to protect against harsh cold and snow. When Christian Byzantium entered Afghanistan after the 4th century AD, the women introduced their own top-to-toe coverings carried down through the centuries from ancient Greece and Macedonia.

http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/8...-suspicion.htm

look above pleae.

It is called a link. It is a citation. Agreed?

It says that Afghan women never used to wear a veil, unlike the Arabs and the Chinese women. I have provided a link.

Please provide your link that the majority of Afghan women veiled prior to the 15th century.

It was when invaders from Christian Byzantium came that Afghan women initially covered up, because they were invaders. Byzantine thought held it that women who did not veil were fair game.

All this makes it Byzantine and Greco-Roman Medieval Culture, not Afghan tradition.

[faye]

the assyrians made it law for respectable women to wear veils. 900bc-600bc.

[roadrunner]

There's more evidence for face veiling than for not

WHERE? Give one bit of evidence for face veiling being a custom of Pashtun women prior to the 15th or 16th century.

I've asked for just one bit of evidence, and noone's provided it. I've provided evidence to suggest that at various stable points in Afghan society history, women did not veil.

.. could anyone else provide evidence for veiling prior to the 16th century?