3/4 sleeves.

[IamDZJ]

the only thing a pashtana is obliged to when it comes to belonging to a pashtun or any other woman to a respectable family is a sense of responsibility not obedience. i don't care who says what. if you can't convince me with plain common sense then don't bother with what allah says.

[Azad Khel]

Indeed, men are protectors of women. But they are not thinkers for women. No where does it say to think for your women, to make moral judgements for your women, to define principles and values for women.

Mayana:

Read the above honrable ayah and hidit of Rasoolullah (saws) again and again you will understand what the religion demands from a muslim woman.

If you don't agree that is your choice. I myself do not act upon several islamic rulings due to my weaknesses as human benig and due to the fact that shytan is my enemy and the shytan has challenged Allah, the Almighty that he would bring with him the whole human to the hell, but that does not mean those rullings are wrong.

tsa di khial dey...............

[Azad Khel]

the only thing a pashtana is obliged to when it comes to belonging to a pashtun or any other woman to a respectable family is a sense of responsibility not obedience. i don't care who says what. if you can't convince me with plain common sense then don't bother with what allah says.

If all the senses including thinking power(aqal) was such a powerfull thing then there was no need for sending around 124,000 messangers for the guidance of human beings.

If the thniking power and senses were that great to know "right" and "wrong" then why many great intellectuals and great brains are non believers. You can not understand the "WAHI" merely on the ground of your senses and brain, this need a faith chi ota IMAN WAI............CHI IMAN NA YI NU BIA KHALAK AUTEY BAUTEY WAI...........Abu Jahal was called "Abul Hakam" means the father of intellectuals among his people. That great sense did not give him any good..................BAS PA BADAR KI MURDAAR SHO......DA DUAO/2 MASHUMANU DA LAASA...............

[Mayana]

Mayana:

Read the above honrable ayah and hidit of Rasoolullah (saws) again and again you will understand what the religion demands from a muslim woman.

If you don't agree that is your choice. I myself do not act upon several islamic rulings due to my weaknesses as human benig and due to the fact that shytan is my enemy and the shytan has challenged Allah, the Almighty that he would bring with him the whole human to the hell, but that does not mean those rullings are wrong.

tsa di khial dey...............

Again, it does not state to make moral judgements for women or to define principles and values for them. It states for women to obey men, not for women to have men think for them.

[Pakhtunzai]

In regards to the thread as far as I'm concerned islamically girls should be fully sleeved. Although these days here in the UK the girls are the opposite of that, they wear scarves that cover their heads but wear the tightest of jeans and really short sleeved t shirts so everything shows. Its disgusting and it gives the real hijabis/jilbabis a bad name

On a more provoking note (because there aren't enough misogynist-vs-feminist slurs around already), do you see any of the men asking if we approve of them wearing basketball shorts? haha, just joking =)

Loll you made a good point there even if you were joking, as men we have to cover our "private" area at all times, which is called the satr and that goes from the belly button straight to the bottom of the knees. Which is why I never wear these shorts or if I do its always long ones which cover these areas.

[emkhan]

Indeed, men are protectors of women. But they are not thinkers for women. No where does it say to think for your women, to make moral judgements for your women, to define principles and values for women.

Yes you are right but if a woman does not think for herself then a man has to think for her.

[Azad Khel]

Again, it does not state to make moral judgements for women or to define principles and values for them. It states for women to obey men, not for women to have men think for them.

"Thinking for women" is your own terminology. I never talked of that.

Qur'an commands the believing women to obey their men(husbands). And obey here mean the right things according to the sharia.

The values and principle in an islamic society is already defined by the sharia, the men do not need to define them. As a "QAWWAM" he has to implement those principles and values already defined by the religion.

For example the laws in a country are made by the parliament or a legal body constituted for this task, the goverment has to impliment those laws.
A man having the position of "QAWWAM" has the authority to implement those rules in his home and family where he has jurisdiction.

In another hadit Rasoolullah(saws) says "If a man don't care about the conduct of his women (sister, mother, wife, etc), he is a "DAYYUS" chi ota mung pa pukhto ki DAOOS wayu and a DAYYUS can not enter paradise, even, he can not feel its fragrance.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:



يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قُواْ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَأَهْلِيكُمْ نَاراً وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَالْحِجَارَةُ عَلَيْهَا مَلَـئِكَةٌ غِلاَظٌ شِدَادٌ لاَّ يَعْصُونَ اللَّهَ مَآ أَمَرَهُمْ وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ - يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لاَ تَعْتَذِرُواْ الْيَوْمَ إِنَّمَا تُجْزَوْنَ مَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ - يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ تُوبُواْ إِلَى اللَّهِ تَوْبَةً نَّصُوحاً عَسَى رَبُّكُمْ أَن يُكَفِّرَ عَنكُمْ سَيِّئَـتِكُمْ وَيُدْخِلَكُمْ جَنَّـتٍ تَجْرِى مِن تَحْتِهَا الاٌّنْهَـرُ يَوْمَ لاَ يُخْزِى اللَّهُ النَّبِىَّ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ مَعَهُ نُورُهُمْ يَسْعَى بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَبِأَيْمَـنِهِمْ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَآ أَتْمِمْ لَنَا نُورَنَا وَاغْفِرْ لَنَآ إِنَّكَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ ]



(6. O you who believe! Protect yourselves and your families against a Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who disobey not the commands they receive from Allah, but do that which they are commanded.) (7. (It will be said in the Hereafter) O you who disbelieve! Make no excuses this Day! You are being requited only for what you used to do.) (8. O you who believe! Turn to Allah with sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will expiate from you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow -- the Day that Allah will not disgrace the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their light will run forward before them and in their right hands. They will say: "Our Lord! Keep perfect our light for us and grant us forgiveness. Verily, You are Able to do all things.'')


قُواْ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَأَهْلِيكُمْ نَاراً]




(Protect yourselves and your families against a Fire (Hell)) saying, "Have Taqwa of Allah and order your family to have Taqwa of Him.'' Qatadah said, "He commands obedience to Allah, to not disobey Allah, he orders his family to obey His orders and helps them to act upon His orders. When one sees disobedience, he stops them and forbids them from doing it.'' Similar was said by Ad-Dahhak and Muqatil; "It is an obligation for the Muslim to teach his near family members, and his male and female slaves what Allah has made obligatory for them and what Allah has forbidden for them.'' There is a Hadith that confirms the meaning of this Ayah. Ahmad, Abu Dawud and At-Tirmidhi recorded that Ar-Rabi` bin Sabrah said that his father said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«مُرُوا الصَّبِيَّ بِالصَّلَاةِ إِذَا بَلَغَ سَبْعَ سِنِينَ، فَإِذَا بَلَغَ عَشْرَ سِنِينَ فَاضْرِبُوهُ عَلَيْهَا»



(Order the children to pray when they reach the age of seven and when they reach the age of ten, discipline them for (not performing) it.) This is the narration that Abu Dawud collected; At-Tirmidhi said, "This Hadith is Hasan.''

[sgulab]

t shirts are fine at home but it has to be full sleeved in public.
why are you even asking men's approval? is your own judgment of no good? it's like saying " here is my behind...would you like to kick it?"

Ahem. The only reason I asked that was because the last thread I made was aimed at ladies and there were still some males that replied. So i thought this time lemme just ask them a question just incase they want to reply.

I live with my father/family. I kinda have a tendency to ask for his approval especially if it is with clothes. I normally know exactly what to wear- I can think for myself and i know what i feel good in *gasp*. But if it comes to something like skinny jeans (which I have never even tried on) or in this instance 3/4 sleeves I ask- since im using his money to buy it anyways.

[IamDZJ]

Ahem. The only reason I asked that was because the last thread I made was aimed at ladies and there were still some males that replied. So i thought this time lemme just ask them a question just incase they want to reply.

I live with my father/family. I kinda have a tendency to ask for his approval especially if it is with clothes. I normally know exactly what to wear- I can think for myself and i know what i feel good in *gasp*. But if it comes to something like skinny jeans (which I have never even tried on) or in this instance 3/4 sleeves I ask- since im using his money to buy it anyways.

It feels like I am speaking in a different language than the rest of you.
You ask for opinions you make decisions on your own. That is how you learn to be right.
Never mind you people.

[Gulbabo]

3/4 sleeves meaning marrwand na leg paas?

haha i always make my clothes 3/4 sleeves, zma der khwakh dei zaka che za bia pa dwarra lasono kei bangrri aghostai sam ... pa kamees partog kei full sleeve aghostal hes bangri ta zai na pata keigi haha...

and when i am shopping for western shirts, then 3/4 sleeves are the last thing on my mind... i feel pretty lucky if i find 3/4 sleeved shirts caz most are without sleeves all together ... but my biggest concerns when buying a shirt is its 'ghaarra' and 'ugdwalai'

[sgulab]

yeah thats true. I only have one 3/4 sleeve shirt and I wear another shirt underneath it lol. Its a western shirt but I needed a long white shirt so yeah.. Im planning on getting some kurtis inshAllah when I go back InshAllah

[Gulbabo]

^indian stores have really nice 'kurti'... is what they call i guess. i bought two of them. they are so fancy ... and i wear them with normal pants. they are long and very stylish as well. and i love accessorising them with some jewellery.

[IamDZJ]

Specially the black ones with embroideries are so pretty and comfortable for summer.
Thanks for the reminder, I have been thinking of getting me a few before all the good ones are sold. LOL, Yeah I am selfish and greedy like thY when it comes to buying things.

[sgulab]

yeah i know about those. But alotta them are expensive for the work that is done on them. I can find better in pakistan lol.

[Gulbabo]

Specially the black ones with embroideries are so pretty and comfortable for summer.
Thanks for the reminder, I have been thinking of getting me a few before all the good ones are sold. LOL, Yeah I am selfish and greedy like thY when it comes to buying things.

yes hurry !

yeah i know about those. But alotta them are expensive for the work that is done on them. I can find better in pakistan lol.

i bought two for 70 dollars, i think its worth it. considering how it has good length sleeves (full sleeves for the most part), and long, a litle above knees... i am not sure about back i pakistan but the ones they bring from India are really very fashionable.