3/4 sleeves.

[sgulab]

What are your thoughts?

Ladies- would you wear it (hijabis?)

Guys- would you let the girl whoever she is to you wear it?

personally it kinda annoys me lol. I mean its not a full sleeve and its not short. I just feel like i have to keep pulling on it.

[Janana]

No I definitely would not wear it, but I have done so before I came to Islam.

[Fahd]

^u should cuz islam want u to hide ur body :p

[IamDZJ]

t shirts are fine at home but it has to be full sleeved in public.
why are you even asking men's approval? is your own judgment of no good? it's like saying " here is my behind...would you like to kick it?"

[kakargirl]

khorai full sleeve is the best all my clothes have full sleeves,because even a 3 quater sleeve, would make me feel naked, but im talking about traditionals clothes, so yeah full sleeve.

[Mayana]

I really like 3/4 sleeves, I don't know what it is about them but they're nice. They expose your pretty wrist

But yeah, I don't wear them in public.. always full sleeved.. There's something about the full sleeve that I like, I like how it feels around the wrist when the shirt is all tight and fitted there =)

On a more provoking note (because there aren't enough misogynist-vs-feminist slurs around already), do you see any of the men asking if we approve of them wearing basketball shorts? haha, just joking =)

[Toramana]

Alaka da Maulayan Sahiban da fashion ba da thread kai sa kai...da kho gunah-i-azeem dai.......sorry for this stray comment but wanted to remind maulanas it is not appropriate for them to be here....

[Fahd]

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Guys- would you let the girl whoever she is to you wear it?

[QUOTE]
she asked me

[*Mahzala*]

Like Mayana said, I too really like three-quarter sleeves as it leaves room for accessories; a matching bracelet and definitely the watch (that way, you're covering more skin than you think is exposed, I kid). I do wear a lot of three-quarter sleeve shirts and dresses, but never in places where I know I will feel uncomfortable as they go way up to your elbow before you know it. Basically in women's gatherings, at home and in Sunday classes. If I want to wear that particular outfit that has short sleeves, I'll wear a cardigan (long and short) over the top. I am not a detachable sleeves person, for some reason, I can't stand those. Short sleeves too are another favourite, at home of course.

[Azad Khel]

t shirts are fine at home but it has to be full sleeved in public.
why are you even asking men's approval? is your own judgment of no good? it's like saying " here is my behind...would you like to kick it?"

Because she belongs to a pukhtoon family and of course a muslim tradition. And one of the attributes of a good muslim woman is "QANITATUN" 'OBEDIENT" and the others are SALIHATUN, HAFIZATUN........

[Mayana]

A "good Pashtun and Muslim" woman knows what's right and wrong, independent from a man's judgement. The way you should know what's right and what's wrong without anyone else spelling it out for you, a woman should also know what is right and moral. If one covers out of obedience and fear of another human being, one will uncover behind that individual's back. But if she covers out of conviction, nothing will be able to uncover her.

[Azad Khel]

A "good Pashtun and Muslim" woman knows what's right and wrong, independent from a man's judgement. The way you should know what's right and what's wrong without anyone else spelling it out for you, a woman should also know what is right and moral. If one covers out of obedience and fear of another human being, one will uncover behind that individual's back. But if she covers out of conviction, nothing will be able to uncover her.

The Quranic picture for a family life is presented in this Honorable ayah of the Holy Qur'an in Surah Nisa. Allah says:





الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَلِهِمْ فَالصَّـلِحَـتُ قَـنِتَـتٌ حَـفِظَـتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّـتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِى الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلاَ تَبْغُواْ عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلاً إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيّاً كَبِيراً ]



(34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are Qanitat, and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.) Allah said,



[الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ]


(Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,) meaning, the man is responsible for the woman, and he is her maintainer, caretaker and leader who disciplines her if she deviates.

[بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ]



(because Allah has made one of them to excel the other,) meaning, because men excel over women and are better than them for certain tasks. This is why prophethood was exclusive of men, as well as other important positions of leadership. The Prophet said,


«لَنْ يُفْلِحَ قَوْمٌ وَلَّوْا أَمْرَهُمُ امْرَأَة»


(People who appoint a woman to be their leader, will
never achieve success.) Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith. Such is the case with appointing women as judges or on other positions of leadership.


[وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَلِهِمْ]


(and because they spend from their means.) meaning the dowry, expenditures and various expenses that Allah ordained in His Book and the Sunnah of His Messenger for men to spend on women. For these reasons it is suitable that he is appointed her maintainer, just as Allah said,


[وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ]


(But men have a degree (of responsibility) over them).

The same is the pukhto culture............In some aspects the pukhto culture is a bit harsh thus, I don't agree with those things of the pukhtoon culture of treating women which are against the Islamic rules/laws.

[Mayana]

Indeed, men are protectors of women. But they are not thinkers for women. No where does it say to think for your women, to make moral judgements for your women, to define principles and values for women.

[IamDZJ]

Because she belongs to a pukhtoon family and of course a muslim tradition. And one of the attributes of a good muslim woman is "QANITATUN" 'OBEDIENT" and the others are SALIHATUN, HAFIZATUN........

belonging to a pakhtun family doesn't mean that you depend on your family to the point where you cant tell right from wrong. a pashtana must understand the difference between the two on her own.
what is it that makes a man's judgment more credible than a woman's??
a human being should never be expected to be obedient to another. never mentally dependent on another unless they are mentally unstable.. we are not slaves..obedience is something you expect of animals who are forced in to following the decisions made on their behalf because they lack the mental capacity of doing so on their own. no body has anything in their head that is any more special than what i have in mine.

o , and your beliefs contradict with what you have chosen to present yourself as. you are as conceited as the next jerk out there. there is nothing azad about you. instead of lecturing me on obedience, do yourself a favor and do something about that.

[Azad Khel]

Qualities of the Righteous Wife



Allah said,



[فَالصَّـلِحَـتُ]


(Therefore, the righteous) women,


[قَـنِتَـتٍ]



(are Qanitat), obedient to their husbands, as Ibn `Abbas and others stated.


[حَـفِظَـتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ]



(and guard in the husband's absence) As-Suddi and others said that it means she protects her honor and her husband's property when he is absent, and Allah's statement,


[بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ]


(what Allah orders them to guard.) means, the protected [husband] is the one whom Allah protects. Ibn Jarir recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«خَيْرُ النِّسَاءِ امْرَأَةٌ إِذَا نَظَرْتَ إِلَيْهَا سَرَّتْكَ، وَإِذَا أَمَرْتَهَا أَطَاعَتْكَ، وَإِذَا غِبْتَ عَنْهَا حَفِظَتْكَ فِي نَفْسِهَا وَمَالِك»



(The best women is she who when you look at her, she pleases you, when you command her she obeys you, and when you are absent, she protects her honor and your property.) Then, the Messenger of Allah recited the Ayah,


[الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ]



(Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, ) until its end. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf said that the Messenger of Allah said,


«إِذَا صَلَّتِ الْمَرْأَةُ خَمْسَهَا، وَصَامَتْ شَهْرَهَا، وَحَفِظَتْ فَرْجَهَا،
وَأَطَاعَتْ زَوْجَهَا، قِيلَ لَهَا: ادْخُلِي الْجَنَّةَ مِنْ أَيِّ الْأَبْوَابِ شِئْت»

(If the woman prayed her five daily prayers, fasted her month, protected her chastity and obeyed her husband, she will be told, 'Enter Paradise from any of its doors you wish.')