Sleeveless shirts?

[IamDZJ]

O, SO BEFORE DARING TO MAKE A STATEMENT IN ANY OF THE THREADS OUT THERE, I SHOULD DO A PERSONAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON ALL THE POSTS WRITTEN BY THAT PERSON TILL THAT POINT aND SO ON?
THANKS FOR THE REFERENCE.

[*Mahzala*]

Exactly. Before you like to assume things about someone, make sure you know them well enough to make that daring statement. You don't need to dig the threads before you make a statement, but if you want to make a statement, know what you are saying is right and suited to that person. Clearly by saying something like I have chosen Allah's wrath and hell fire, you don't know me, or haven't read any of my posts. I am not asking you to read my close to 700 posts, all I am saying is that don't assume things about someone, full stop. And this isn't only targeted at you ... de marhe khete pakhto har tsok wayelai shi.

Oh and you are most welcome!

[IamDZJ]

so basically it's all about pleasing the person..yea, i don't think so.

[*Mahzala*]

No, it is not. It is about respecting the person. Because your way of pleasing someone won't be something pleasant to them. Everyone defines pleasure differently. Basically, treat someone the way you want to be treated. It is just the same as if I were to say to you, DaZahroJaam, you are a person with no values, no respect for you Deen and wear revealing clothing to please men. That would be me giving you the taste of medicine these few threads have given me ...

... get it?

[Michin Khel]

Woman are attracted to manliness and personality of males while males are attracted to the body of females. Sexual behaviour of males is very aggressive and they are very active to get attention of opposite gender while females are generally passive unless stimulated to the certain threshold. Keeping in mind these differences of sexual behaviours of two, one can understand that the burden of responsibility lies on female if she doesnt want unwanted attention focused on her in public. If she wear sleeveless shirts in public, staring of males may awaits her, and she cant complain on the situation as etiology of the staring at her is her exposed smooth silky arms and etiology of men staring at her is the rise up of testasterones...which cant be unfortunately suppressed voluntarily

[MazloomyarMaseed]

You girls get so emotional over small comments.

If a women wears short sleeves and very high heels she is trying to attract attention, she may not know, but maybe its her natural response. Maybe the feminists here can explain it better, its what you call being a follower of the civlised world, because people such as real pashtuns who want their women morally dressed and not so loud mouth are considered uncivilised.

[IamDZJ]

Hence men should refrain from acting manly around women. LOL
Mesbah clearly wat I said was not anywhere near those words. Another way of looking at it the way you are saying would be sugar coating it. What is it to me honestly, I was just telling him to let you be.

[*Mahzala*]

Hence men should refrain from acting manly around women. LOL
Mesbah clearly wat I said was not anywhere near those words. Another way of looking at it the way you are saying would be sugar coating it. What is it to me honestly, I was just telling him to let you be.

I know it wasn't my Dear and I didn't say they were your words either. I said the past few threads. That doesn't mean I was referring to what you said. And in an earlier post I made it clear to you not to take it personally. What you misunderstood, or what I failed to communicate was, that having read your posts, I know you are a decent Muslimah who observes Hijaab and what not, and yet I was to say well look, you are such and such ... I was merely asking you to put yourself in my shoes, because, by giving that example, I felt you could relate to it more. Get me?

[*Mahzala*]

You girls get so emotional over small comments.

Nature of forums, message doesn't get across as it should, creates misunderstanding, and then you've got the adrenalin rush.

If a women wears short sleeves and very high heels she is trying to attract attention, she may not know, but maybe its her natural response.

As much as I agree that wearing such things in the presence of non-mahrams is wrong, I can't help but point out that you cannot speak for someone's intentions by simply saying is she trying to do this or that.

Maybe the feminists here can explain it better

If this is directed at me, then dude, you've got it really wrong. I am no feminist, in fact, very far from it. That doesn't mean I am for women oppression =D

its what you call being a follower of the civlised world, because people such as real pashtuns who want their women morally dressed and not so loud mouth are considered uncivilised.

Again, if you're addressing me with this, then let me tell you that I do not consider my religion outdated. And what is to be civilised anyway? I don't observe hijaab the way I do because I am a Pakhtana. I do it only for seeking the pleasure of my Creator who commands me to do so for all the good reasons that I understand. If you want, I can dig up some views I've expressed earlier ... might help you a LOT. =)

And Sabrina, it might interest you to know that I *adore* short sleeves.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Short sleeves is the culture of Punjabis and non Pashtuns and yet you want to adopt it onto other Pashtuns.

[*Mahzala*]

Who said I want to adopt it into Pashtuns? Whuh?! To me, my likes, to you your dislikes.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Sleeveless Shirts are very popular amongst dancing mujras of Pakistan, I pray for the day Taliban become strong and prevent such practices. I dont see why one should love a foreign dress code to feel educated or modern.

[*Mahzala*]

Ah Makeen, you are so wrong, over and over. And you might think che ma de ghwa kesa klaka raaneweleda, but all you do is just assume things about people. We wear short sleeves to feel educated? Now that is a crack up seriously.

So you're telling me you haven't adopted anything foreign? Zilch? You wear your pakol and kameez partug everywhere (that is if you are living in a Western country)? Because, if you don't, dude, everyone knows what it means to wear a patlun on the streets of Pakistan/Afghanistan and I think those same connotations apply elsewhere ...

[Zari]

lol...i so agree....

[Roshina]

Wow.

Why does it matter if anyone wears short sleeves or not? I doubt any girl on here is gonna say, "I wear short sleeves." or "I wear shorts"... even though we know that a lot of Pashtuns back home wear short sleeves, and they don't have a problem doing it in the west either. If you disagree, open your eyes a little wider, and start observing (without judging) a little more. It may not be a part of our original culture and it's certainly influenced by others, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You find it wrong, that's fine; that doens't mean people will stop just because you think it's wrong.

Anyway, to each, her/his own, right? So long as no one's forcing you to follow their way of life, why do WE get offended with what people wear? And why do we generalize so much?

C'mon, folks. We have so many more important things to worry about than whether a girl's arms are showing or whether she's doing something to attract a man. Again, the world doesn't revolve around men.

And... I'm *not allowed* to wear short sleeves in front of my father.