maata la jannata kabul khkukay dey..

[Shehbaz Khan]

ghani khans problem is not with Mullah but Islam.
He is talking trash about Mullah because Mullah tells him to think about his afterlife and dont drink alcohol and be a sinner.

You think Ghani doesn't know about the after life?
Na manam na manam yara marg anjam da hastai na day,
Khlasedal sharab pa jam ki ikhtetam da mastai na day ..

offcourse some apologists over here will try their best to say that no actually he means such and such.

Mullah bechara is used as a codework for Islam because they wont be able to talk such trahs directly about Islam.

Mullah is used because he will give you the wrong interpretation of Islam and the common people will still follow him.

its also funny how non of these apologists explained his song and who is the woman he is singing about and sayig that her one word is more than "your 40000 books"(holy books)

Sta salwekht zara kitaba .. da di dwa khwagi khabari

Now here Ghani is too straightforward don't you think so? I don't know whether I can give a proper explanation of it or not but to me here he is also addressing the attractiveness of the sin. You need 40000 books to tell me I should not .. when I a man of weak faith comes infront of her 'da haghi dwa khwagi khabari'

Sta waadi ogdi da horo .. Dalta sri shondi shakari
Mashom na yam che jannat pregdam .. Sta da soor dozakh da yari

no wonder these ANP wallas or pashtun nationalists are corrupt to the bone, thanks to manipulators such as ghani.

So nationalists are corrupt because of Ghani
You forgot that you are praising Ajmal Khattak's poem and he was a Nationalist as well and you tell me he was corrupt? :D

@shehbaz that song da loyo loyo qudrathuna raba cant be compared to the pathetic ghani khan poetry. that song is actually the opposite.

Re-Read where I gave the reference of that song by Ajmal Khattak now some will claim that Ajmal saib is too straightforward. Just like people talked about Iqbal after his poem 'Shikwa'

[Shehbaz Khan]

Only for those who disbelieve in Qur'an sunnah.



He is a kafir. He was a kafir, and nobody cares what a kafir alcoholic who writes vulgar poetry have to say about his imaginary relationship with God.

Yes. And now just on the other thread we said we won't point our fingers towards others and declare each other kafir?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Yes. And now just on the other thread we said we won't point our fingers towards others and declare each other kafir?

Apparently you dont know anything about Islam. Making takfeer on an a person who's disbelief is apparent and clear is mandatory. Refraining from takfeer of an apostate, a person who does istihzaa of religion is by itself a form of disbelief.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Wah and you haven't heard 'Innamal A'mal-o-bin-niyat' So now you're telling us that it's clear to you that Ghani isn't a believer of God and his messenger SAW. Stop being judgemental.

Argument Over! Ghani's poetry isn't for you!

Parwah ye Ghani na kri ka ye spak tali ka droon,
Taf! sa ba da jahan wi sa ba tol da di jahan !

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

'Innamal A'mal-o-bin-niyat'

You have no idea what this Hadeeth means. It is actually evidence against your claim that Ghani Khan was a believer.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Unless you can tell me that you know his 'Niyyat'? I guess it's Allah who best knows the Niyyat of a person!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Unless you can tell me that you know his 'Niyyat'? I guess it's Allah who best knows the Niyyat of a person!

I guy fornicates with his mother. Does it matter what his niyyat is?

Another example, a guy ridicules Islam. Does it matter what his Niyyat is?

[ډګروال]

You think Ghani doesn't know about the after life?
Na manam na manam yara marg anjam da hastai na day,
Khlasedal sharab pa jam ki ikhtetam da mastai na day ..

According to the song he bashes mullah for telling him about after life ,sharab and hoori.

Mullah is used because he will give you the wrong interpretation of Islam and the common people will still follow him.

not really
he is angry at mullah for telling him about after life and tells him not to drink alcohol , he didnt mention a specific mullah neither did he give his interpretation of Islam.



Sta salwekht zara kitaba .. da di dwa khwagi khabari

Now here Ghani is too straightforward don't you think so? I don't know whether I can give a proper explanation of it or not but to me here he is also addressing the attractiveness of the sin. You need 40000 books to tell me I should not .. when I a man of weak faith comes infront of her 'da haghi dwa khwagi khabari'

If he is off the weak faith, what right does he have to insult the mullah ,who usualy are of stronger faith?

Sta waadi ogdi da horo .. Dalta sri shondi shakari
Mashom na yam che jannat pregdam .. Sta da soor dozakh da yari

yes tells us what that means because it seems pretty straight forward.
so obviously he doesnt want to waite for long waadi of horo , while here he has red sweet lips. he isnt a child to let go of this jannath( the jannath which he has here). being scared of Your red/hot hell




So nationalists are corrupt because of Ghani
You forgot that you are praising Ajmal Khattak's poem and he was a Nationalist as well and you tell me he was corrupt? :D

Ajmal Khattak is good.
i find most and especially the leaders of ANP corrupt.





Re-Read where I gave the reference of that song by Ajmal Khattak now some will claim that Ajmal saib is too straightforward. Just like people talked about Iqbal after his poem 'Shikwa'

im not talking about Iqbal.
ajmal khattak is a good poet unlike ghani.


what does Jaam ochat ka musulman sha mean?

[khushal]

The most special quality of Poetry is that everybody takes his/her own meaning from it according to one's own taste and approach and especially when the poet is like Ghani Khan and Juan Alia. So Shamlawar is extracting a meaning from ghani Khan's poetry that suits his mindset and his taste,and so does Khushal. One can explain a verse in different ways. I will take you example of Qalandar Momand when he said :
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I have not given my opinion about it, I have only asked questions and have questioned the answers. You thinking I have extracted a meaning from the poem tell us more about how you judge before the evidence than anything else. A lot of your posts are actually incompetent. Read before you respond.

[khushal]

@Shehbaz Khan,
Ghani is mocking the mullah because he is actually talking to the Mullah in the poem. he says "Tah Tse Tsekelee" and " te tse Habar ye" about the pleasure of sharab and women and this is his reply to the preaching of the mullah not to be sucked into the destructive lifestyle of fornication and drunkardness.
In this regard how is he criticizing the mullah which preaches a message that benefit the human condition vs your claim that he is criticizing ignorance.

[khushal]

[MENTION=1585]Shehbaz Khan[/MENTION],
This guy is more direct, he directly attacks the corruption of bribery. He does not generalize and is not deceptive in his poems.
Matiullah Turab Pashto New Poetry - YouTube

[khushal]

This is a true poet about ignorance.
Matiullah Turab,(pashto poetry) Dasi sok shta part 1 - YouTube

[ډګروال]

@Shehbaz Khan,
Ghani is mocking the mullah because he is actually talking to the Mullah in the poem. he says "Tah Tse Tsekelee" and " te tse Habar ye" about the pleasure of sharab and women and this is his reply to the preaching of the mullah not to be sucked into the destructive lifestyle of fornication and drunkardness.
In this regard how is he criticizing the mullah which preaches a message that benefit the human condition vs your claim that he is criticizing ignorance.

this is the point

its not like he is criticising the Mullah for not teaching the religion properly neither does he give an alternative or how Islam truelly should be taught.

thats why one cant say he criticises the Mullah for Ignorance or misleading people otherwise he would have given his suposed interpretation.
but he does clearly mention why he doesnt like the Mullah aka the teacher of Deen Islam.

[Shehbaz Khan]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION]

I've heard Turab saib that's a different style.. Ghani has got a different tone. That's why he is still alive he had the vision to talk about versatile things and give his ideas. You can't just judge Ghani by that one poem.
But I am sure if you will ask Turab about Ghani Khan his views will be no different than mine.

[Shehbaz Khan]

@Shehbaz Khan,
Ghani is mocking the mullah because he is actually talking to the Mullah in the poem. he says "Tah Tse Tsekelee" and " te tse Habar ye" about the pleasure of sharab and women and this is his reply to the preaching of the mullah not to be sucked into the destructive lifestyle of fornication and drunkardness.
In this regard how is he criticizing the mullah which preaches a message that benefit the human condition vs your claim that he is criticizing ignorance.

Again when you will just stick to one point you are not going to get the meaning of it. I quoted you how many poems of Ghani and how many you went through? To analyse a poet you don't just read one of his poem and start talking about it?

Pa pukhto ki wayi che da mufto sharab kho qazi hum ski ! Pohe shwi!

Rasha Rasha lewani la .. Jam ochat ka musalman sha
Da randano pa mazhab sha .. Jannati pa di jahan sha!

Now you can only think of 'da sharabo jaam' ? Ghani lewanay cha ta wayi? 'Saritoob che lwar ochat shi lewantob shi' now you think Saritoob che lwar ochat shi hagha ba bas da sharabo jam garzai las ki 'Che khudi da khuda ozi nu khumar shi'

He says, 'Kha da masti kha da kho zra paak laka aaena ghwari .. da daryab azmol da samandar omra seena ghwari'