Sikh guy beats a guy for drinking alcohol

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

so and what is the punishment for these munafiq

Thats not necessarily nifaaq. Nifaaq fully means pretending to be Muslim while disbelieving in order to cause problems.

The punishment of preaching what you do not do is, that Allah rebukes you and if you do not repent, you will be punished in hereafter by Allah.


EDIT: however, the one who preaches what he does not do himself could eventually become a munafiq. After all, the one who commits deeds of nifaaq, sooner or later will become a munafiq. So you are not very far off.

[HalloIsBack]

Thats not necessarily nifaaq. Nifaaq fully means pretending to be Muslim while disbelieving in order to cause problems.

The punishment of preaching what you do not do is, that Allah rebukes you and if you do not repent, you will be punished in hereafter by Allah.


EDIT: however, the one who preaches what he does not do himself could eventually become a munafiq. After all, the one who commits deeds of nifaaq, sooner or later will become a munafiq. So you are not very far off.

so these people people will get their punishment hereafter? that's not fair! do you know how these people annoy us kufars?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

so these people people will get their punishment hereafter? that's not fair! do you know how these people annoy us kufars?

If any Muslim behaves in a such a manner that he or she is of nuisance to any other human being, then obviously, it is against the teachings of Islam. In an true Islamic state one can appeal to the judiciary and ask for measurements against the one who is causing problems for others. Even non Muslims are allowed to do this.

However, if any random kafir is annoyed by the Muslims due the kafirs own internal problems and hostility towards Muslims, then there is no reason to punish the Muslim if he is not doing anything wrong.

If a Muslim does everything as his religion teaches him and yet the Kufar are still annoyed with him, then this Muslim is doing the right thing. Indeed, the disbelievers are known for hating the truthful and the pious.

If one annoys disblievers by being obedient to Allah, then this is by itself an act of worship which is rewarded in hereafter.

[HalloIsBack]

If any Muslim behaves in a such a manner that he or she is of nuisance to any other human being, then obviously, it is against the teachings of Islam. In an true Islamic state one can appeal to the judiciary and ask for measurements against the one who is causing problems for others. Even non Muslims are allowed to do this.

However, if any random kafir is annoyed by the Muslims due the kafirs own internal problems and hostility towards Muslims, then there is no reason to punish the Muslim if he is not doing anything wrong.

If a Muslim does everything as his religion teaches him and yet the Kufar are still annoyed with him, then this Muslim is doing the right thing. Indeed, the disbelievers are known for hating the truthful and the pious.

If one annoys disblievers by being obedient to Allah, then this is by itself an act of worship which is rewarded in hereafter.

well i told these kind of muslims several time but they didn't stop
no hostlity towards muslims but they interfere in to the kafirs own internal problems or culture and talking bull**** although they don't have any clue about it
they bother us with their sex life although we are not interested

i said that proud is a feature of shaytan and manzareh started to insult me
should i continue?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

i said that proud is a feature of shaytan

I dont know about your problems with other members neither am I interested in commenting about it. However, you are right. Arrogance is from Shaitan. Allah mentions this in Quran:

Surah Al-Araf
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblîs (Satan) , he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves. (11) (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate yourself, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." (12)

Footnote: satan was a jinn, not an angel

[HalloIsBack]

I dont know about your problems with other members neither am I interested in commenting about it. However, you are right. Arrogance is from Shaitan. Allah mentions this in Quran:

Surah Al-Araf
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblîs (Satan) , he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves. (11) (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate yourself, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." (12)

Footnote: satan was a jinn, not an angel

well it's not just my problem with users on pf
it's what we kafirs bear in real life from "muslims"

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

well it's not just my problem with users on pf
it's what we kafirs bear in real life from "muslims"

Kafirs shouldn't complain about being annoyed in this life. After all, in the hereafter you will burn eternally in flames. Then you would only wish you were annoyed by Muslims instead of burning endlessly.

[HalloIsBack]

Kafirs shouldn't complain about being annoyed in this life. After all, in the hereafter you will burn eternally in flames. Then you would only wish you were annoyed by Muslims instead of burning endlessly.

so it's ok if a "muslim" show me a wrong islam and i cannot find the way to allah?
should not a muslim rescue me from burning?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

so it's ok if a "muslim" show me a wrong islam and i cannot find the way to allah?
should not a muslim rescue me from burning?

A Muslim is not obliged to guide people. A Muslim is obliged to protect himself from hell fire in the first place by believing and acting upon the teachings of Islam. Only after believing, and acting upon it, a Muslim can call others to it. Once he starts calling others to it, then the Muslim is obliged to bare patience and persevere.

It is not the Muslim who is doing the guiding, but rather it is Allah who guides and misguides people.

لَّقَدۡ أَنزَلۡنَآ ءَايَـٰتٍ۬ مُّبَيِّنَـٰتٍ۬*ۚ وَٱللَّهُ يَہۡدِى مَن يَشَآءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَٲطٍ۬ مُّسۡتَقِيمٍ۬

Surah Al-Noor
We have indeed sent down (in this Qur'ân) manifest Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, lawful and unlawful things, and the set boundries of Islâmic religion, etc. that make things clear showing the Right Path of Allâh). And Allâh guides whom He wills to a Straight Path (i.e. to Allâh's religion of Islâmic Monotheism). (46)

يَہۡدِ ٱللَّهُ فَهُوَ ٱلۡمُهۡتَدِ*ۖ وَمَن يُضۡلِلۡ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ ۥ وَلِيًّ۬ا مُّرۡشِدً۬ا

Surah Al-Kahf
He whom Allâh guides, is rightly guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Walî (guiding friend) to lead him (to the right Path). (17)

وَمَا عَلَيۡنَآ إِلَّا ٱلۡبَلَـٰغُ ٱلۡمُبِينُ

Surah Ya-Seen
"And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message)." (17)

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Nobody can enter Islam except from free will. Neither can anybody force someone to leave Islam by force.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

God that was a hard beating:

Religious Man Beats Up An Old Man Video - YouTube

disgusting; he's beating an elderly man; I don't care if he's drinking , you don't lay a hand on the elderly.

I won't make moronic statements like "Sikhs have a beghairat culture
" and remark about their partogss or lack of, that's how people of different societies dress.

But I will say that THIS Sikh in particular is a low life.

[DaZahroJaam.]

you guys should see the pakistanies beat an old guy eating during ramazan in public. it made so angry and upset. that guy could be very sick and unable to fast.
Man beaten in Karachi only because he was eating in Ramadan - YouTube

though he should probably not be eating in public, even if he is sick.

[Manzareh]

well i told these kind of muslims several time but they didn't stop
no hostlity towards muslims but they interfere in to the kafirs own internal problems or culture and talking bull**** although they don't have any clue about it
they bother us with their sex life although we are not interested

i said that proud is a feature of shaytan and manzareh started to insult me
should i continue?

Are you a perfect human being, do you not make mistakes?? unless you are an angel yourself you are not qualified for having anything against anyone that is also non-perfect - this concept should have been taught to you by your parents by the age of 5 years old.

[khushal]

i'm not stupid. i have a brain in my head which works pretty well.
so only muslims do have human qualities
yeah i saw it on pf and in real life
they do not practise what one preaches

but why ask the question in this thread which is about Sikhs?
Trying to derail the thread?

what kind of question is that. you asked why some muslim practice what they preach and others don't. my answers is they are human with human qualities. they are not some super saints with no faults. are you under the belief that when one becomes muslim, they are no longer human and they cant make mistakes.

[khushal]

you guys should see the pakistanies beat an old guy eating during ramazan in public. it made so angry and upset. that guy could be very sick and unable to fast.
Man beaten in Karachi only because he was eating in Ramadan - YouTube

though he should probably not be eating in public, even if he is sick.

there is nothing wrong with eating in public during ramazan if you are sick. Like I said the panjabis have a very baighyrat and spuck culture.