More Pashtun women should be involved in music and arts

[Manzareh]

You were proven wrong; and until you can prove otherwise, your case is zilch, just because many people are equally brainwashed as you doesn't make it more true

at one time idiots like yourself thought the world was flat. Just because you're brainwashed to believe something doesn't make it so.

iv proved it to you and answered every single ridiculous justification youve made without:

- stressing myself searching google
- twisting words from your posts
- manipulating Islam to suit my own interests

You believe:

- Pradeh women and men can intermingle with each other freely
- Music is Halal
- The Prophet (saw) listened to music and chose to sit amoungst dancing women
- The human voice is the same as playing the violen in halal/haram terms

good luck going to Afghanistan and telling that to Pashtuns HAHA

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It says to allow or permit, and yes i still stick to my point that the beduin was allowed to continue. musical tones isnt the same as musical instrument, quote from werever you want to quote but realise that it make no difference and your surfing the dictionarys is in vain because muslims accept the voice and singing but man made musical instruments are classed as haraam mr mutazeali. now then thats enough of being on the computer il reply to your BS when im back, god knows how your here all night and day, nowonder you wear glasses, get a hobby.

wow you are really stupid

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allow?s=t

al·low   [uh-lou] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to give permission to or for; permit: to allow a student to be absent; No swimming allowed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/musical+instrument?s=t

musical instrument

noun
any of various devices or contrivances that can be used to produce musical tones or sounds

I don't even have to finish this; you have sunk to the bottom of the stupid barrel today. The definitions speak for themselves; and you were accusing others of acting like women.


You've been proven wrong case closed; just remember neither Pashtun culture NOR Islam support your beliefs. The end

[Afghanistan2010]

Say ...I swear upon the Qur'an Sharif I have never drank any alcohol in my entire life"

I swear by the lord of the kaaba that i did never drink a drop of it,and i swear by the lord of the kaaba you are enemy of Islam,you believe in some and disbelieve in some.

Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women)



Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I swear by the lord of the kaaba that i did never drink a drop of it,and i swear by the lord of the kaaba you are enemy of Islam,you believe in some and disbelieve in some.

I said swear upon the QUr'an that you never drank ALCOHOL, ....you're being crafty, but that shows you really did drink alcohol.

[Afghanistan2010]

You don't believe in the Lord of the Alameen.
heinh pure mutt zealah.....

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The True Kafir here is you since you drank alcohol and won't give a direct statement based on swearing upon Qur'an Sharif that you didn't

Natural that people who are kufar, and are caught for their guilty crimes will start calling everyone else kafir to hide themselves and their shame. That tactic won't work here Murtad2010 :-p

[Badlun]

All that is fine and well, except the argument you always make is tiring and wrong.

Almost every post of yours says "Islam is just a religion... it does not have anything to do with you lifestyle/culture/education/society/politics", but this is wrong as it CLEARLY states in the Qur`an that Islam is for all aspects of ones life. Every single aspect of a Muslim's life should be influenced by Islam.

Where in Quran it is said that Islam is for all aspects of life?

I wrote an article on this subject which you may read on this link. I copy below the starting paras.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=4218

It’s a common perception that Islam is a complete way of life and has solution to all the problems of human life where in this world or the Hereafter. I don’t believe in this perception and consider Islam only a religion like any other religion but with its own sets of beliefs, modes of worship and moral values and ethical injunctions. If we analyze all the important definitions of the term Religion then we may find that all these definitions have three things in common. These are faith, worship and morality. Islam like any other religion guides its followers in these there spheres but is not a complete system for life but it does not provide complete guidance for other spheres of life like culture, politics, economy, science, technology, philosophy, psychology etc.

We may note that I am not talking of an idea which will harm Islam but if we consider Islam only as a religion it will be in the benefit of Islam itself. This will also solve all the problems Muslims are facing like terrorism, Extremism.

After doing lot of research and discussions I did not find any one who can prove that Islam guide us completely in political, cultural, social, economic, technological, financial, scientific, historical, anthropological, philosophical, psychological, logical, mathematical, artistic, astronomical, commercial, agricultural, ecological, statistical, electronic and other aspects of life. If Islam does not guide us in all these spheres of life then it can only be called as a religion but not as a system or complete way of life. This is why Islam was never implemented as a complete code of life in history. It was not so attractive to people to be adopted or promulgated completely because it lacks guidance for all the different activities of life.

In Islam one has Aqeeda (belief, faith) , ibadat(worship) and Akhlaq(morality) and this is what religion is. A religious person like Muslim should have beliefs in God, prophets, holy books, hereafter etc, then may worship as in the form of prayers, fasting, charity, pilgrimage and then may have some moral codes as not telling lie, not killing etc. This is all what religion is but beyond that Islam has nothing to offer. For guidance in other aspects of life we have to resort to other systems and ideologies like democracy, capitalism, liberalism, cultural and social theories and other scientific and technological theories and practices which has nothing to do with Islam and Islam has nothing to do with them.

Considering Islam as a complete way of life encourages extremism and religious extremism and Wahabism is really a menace. To avoid such evils, the only way is to accept Islam as religion (faith+worship+morals) and not culture, political system, legal system, economic system and source of education.


Some people like Taliban and other religious political parties struggle for the promulgation of Islamic Political system but Islam as a political system has always been a failure from the time of Abubakar Abassids, Mughals, to Pakistan , Sudan, Somalia , Saudi , Afghanistan , Egypt, Turkey, and Iran of today. Whatever presence it had was because of dictators, monarchs and sultans not because of its inherent political qualities. The very opposition of the so called Political Islam to democracy is a big stigma on its face.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Where in Quran it is said that Islam is for all aspects of life?

I wrote an article on this subject which you may read on this link. I copy below the starting paras.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=4218


It’s a common perception that Islam is a complete way of life and has solution to all the problems of human life where in this world or the Hereafter. I don’t believe in this perception and consider Islam only a religion like any other religion but with its own sets of beliefs, modes of worship and moral values and ethical injunctions. If we analyze all the important definitions of the term Religion then we may find that all these definitions have three things in common. These are faith, worship and morality. Islam like any other religion guides its followers in these there spheres but is not a complete system for life but it does not provide complete guidance for other spheres of life like culture, politics, economy, science, technology, philosophy, psychology etc.

We may note that I am not talking of an idea which will harm Islam but if we consider Islam only as a religion it will be in the benefit of Islam itself. This will also solve all the problems Muslims are facing like terrorism, Extremism.

After doing lot of research and discussions I did not find any one who can prove that Islam guide us completely in political, cultural, social, economic, technological, financial, scientific, historical, anthropological, philosophical, psychological, logical, mathematical, artistic, astronomical, commercial, agricultural, ecological, statistical, electronic and other aspects of life. If Islam does not guide us in all these spheres of life then it can only be called as a religion but not as a system or complete way of life. This is why Islam was never implemented as a complete code of life in history. It was not so attractive to people to be adopted or promulgated completely because it lacks guidance for all the different activities of life.

In Islam one has Aqeeda (belief, faith) , ibadat(worship) and Akhlaq(morality) and this is what religion is. A religious person like Muslim should have beliefs in God, prophets, holy books, hereafter etc, then may worship as in the form of prayers, fasting, charity, pilgrimage and then may have some moral codes as not telling lie, not killing etc. This is all what religion is but beyond that Islam has nothing to offer. For guidance in other aspects of life we have to resort to other systems and ideologies like democracy, capitalism, liberalism, cultural and social theories and other scientific and technological theories and practices which has nothing to do with Islam and Islam has nothing to do with them.

Considering Islam as a complete way of life encourages extremism and religious extremism and Wahabism is really a menace. To avoid such evils, the only way is to accept Islam as religion (faith+worship+morals) and not culture, political system, legal system, economic system and source of education.


Some people like Taliban and other religious political parties struggle for the promulgation of Islamic Political system but Islam as a political system has always been a failure from the time of Abubakar Abassids, Mughals, to Pakistan , Sudan, Somalia , Saudi , Afghanistan , Egypt, Turkey, and Iran of today. Whatever presence it had was because of dictators, monarchs and sultans not because of its inherent political qualities. The very opposition of the so called Political Islam to democracy is a big stigma on its face.

You sound like those people on answering-islam.com, maybe you are one.

Islam is a religion, but not in the western meaning of religion. The western connotation of the term "religion" is something between the believer and God. Islam is a religion that organizes all aspects of life on both the individual and national levels. Islam organizes your relations with God, with yourself, with your children, with your relatives, with your neighbor, with your guest, and with other brethren. Islam clearly establishes your duties and rights in all those relationships.

Islam establishes a clear system of worship, civil rights, laws of marriage and divorce, laws of inheritance, code of behavior, what not to drink, what to wear, and what not to wear, how to worship God, how to govern, the laws of war and peace, when to go to war, when to make peace, the law of economics, and the laws of buying and selling. Islam is a complete code of life.

Islam is not practiced in the mosque only, it is for daily life, a guide to life in all its aspects: socially, economically, and politically. Islam is complete constitution. Thus Islam keeps the Muslim away from confusion, because Islam is logical and rational. Allah is one. Allah is one Allah has no sons. Allah is not associated with trinity. Allah does not kill to save. No mediation is required between Allah and man. Islam organizes human nature, but does not go against it. There is not a class of clergy in Islam; nor is there celibacy. Islam is complete way of human life.

The Qur’an says in Surah 57, verse 25:

*{We verily sent Our messengers with clear proofs and revealed with them the scripture and the balance [i.e. the authority to establish justice], that mankind may observe justice and the right measure…}*

Then in Surah 12, verse 40:

*{The command is for none but Allah; He has commanded that you obey none but Him; that is the right path.}*

Also, in Surah 22, verse 41:

*{[Muslims are] those who if We give them power in the land, establish [the system of] salat (prayers and worship) and zakat (poor due) and enjoin virtue and forbid vice and evil.}*

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

“Everyone of you is a keeper or a guardian and will be questioned about the well-being of the people of the State. Every man is a guardian to his family and will be answerable about every member of it. Every woman is a guardian to the family of her husband and will be accountable for every member of it. And every servant is a guardian to his master and will be questioned about the property of his master.”

[IamDZJ]

What did the prophet say about the bare headed woman in a sleeveless sitting next to you?? Is she your sister??

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

What did the prophet say about the bare headed woman in a sleeveless sitting next to you?? Is she your sister??

What did the prophet say about always coming to the defense of those who ridicule Islam?

She is like a far, far away sister now but before she wasn't, if you get me.
She is a Muslimah from Mauritius.

[IamDZJ]

Who Sao I am defending him?? You are ridiculing Islam just as much as he is if not more. And no, I don't want to know what you mean.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Who Sao I am defending him?? You are ridiculing Islam just as much as he is if not more. And no, I don't want to know what you mean.

Well, you always come to every non-Muslim and every non-Pashtun here's defence so by picking on me out of all present here, you are defending him who I am arguing with. But well played, bringing the Prophet into my "love" life.

Weren't you once a baredheaded girl?
Surely you must have taken pictures with a male, living in Canada.

What I meant was I had a relationship with this woman back in the 2009.

[Badlun]

You sound like those people on answering-islam.com, maybe you are one.

Islam is a religion, but not in the western meaning of religion. The western connotation of the term "religion" is something between the believer and God. Islam is a religion that organizes all aspects of life on both the individual and national levels. Islam organizes your relations with God, with yourself, with your children, with your relatives, with your neighbor, with your guest, and with other brethren. Islam clearly establishes your duties and rights in all those relationships.

Islam establishes a clear system of worship, civil rights, laws of marriage and divorce, laws of inheritance, code of behavior, what not to drink, what to wear, and what not to wear, how to worship God, how to govern, the laws of war and peace, when to go to war, when to make peace, the law of economics, and the laws of buying and selling. Islam is a complete code of life.

Islam is not practiced in the mosque only, it is for daily life, a guide to life in all its aspects: socially, economically, and politically. Islam is complete constitution. Thus Islam keeps the Muslim away from confusion, because Islam is logical and rational. Allah is one. Allah is one Allah has no sons. Allah is not associated with trinity. Allah does not kill to save. No mediation is required between Allah and man. Islam organizes human nature, but does not go against it. There is not a class of clergy in Islam; nor is there celibacy. Islam is complete way of human life.

The Qur’an says in Surah 57, verse 25:

*{We verily sent Our messengers with clear proofs and revealed with them the scripture and the balance [i.e. the authority to establish justice], that mankind may observe justice and the right measure…}*

Then in Surah 12, verse 40:

*{The command is for none but Allah; He has commanded that you obey none but Him; that is the right path.}*

Also, in Surah 22, verse 41:

*{[Muslims are] those who if We give them power in the land, establish [the system of] salat (prayers and worship) and zakat (poor due) and enjoin virtue and forbid vice and evil.}*

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

“Everyone of you is a keeper or a guardian and will be questioned about the well-being of the people of the State. Every man is a guardian to his family and will be answerable about every member of it. Every woman is a guardian to the family of her husband and will be accountable for every member of it. And every servant is a guardian to his master and will be questioned about the property of his master.”

Religion is universal not eastern or western. If Christianity is between man and God(super natural entity or concepts like Nirvana) the same is oriental religions like Hinduism, Buddhism etc. All religions are basically originated in the East but now present every where. So there is no special connotation of religion in the West.
I don't know any Islam which completely guides its followers in all aspects of life. Can you quote any period of time where this complete code of life was implemented at all levels including political levels. Except the first few years where Arab traditions were mixed with religion and we have the period of the so called pious caliphs. Even majority of these caliphs were killed by their fellow Muslims and for the power game even grand sons of the prophets were brutally killed.

Whatever you quote from Quran about family matters, social affairs or few political guidelines , all these are just moral injunctions and not at all complete family, social, legal or political codes. Do Muslims have a single codified law like penal codes, criminal codes, civil codes, constitutions, international law or political/economic theories like capitalism, communism, socialism, social contract etc. Not a single one.

Yes I agree Islam has complete guidance in all religious matters like beliefs, worship and ethics. If you read Quran more than 95% its about beleifs, modes of worship and morality and few injunctions with moral under pinning in the fields of politics, economics, society or law.

Personally I dont believe in any hadith which is not according to Quran, reason or any religious aspect of life. All hadiths about politics, economics, law etc are fabricated and manipulation of Ummayads, Abbasids etc to prolong their political despotic rule. People like Imam Abu Hanifa never joined government circles and always separated religion from politics. This secularism will save today's Islam too.

[faye]

there were religions all over the world. they did not just originate in the east.

[کیش]

The lord send forth messengers scattered through all corners of the world. some they mock, some they slay, they all warned of the last day.