More Pashtun women should be involved in music and arts

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Khostai - Kafir
Toramana - Kafir
Osho - Kafir
RTR - Muttzeal follower,kafir.

Munafiq2010- Alcohol drinking hypocrite Taliban following kafir

I quote Kais,when he said,he had drunk it and it is a privilege that it is haram in Islam.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No, your VERSION of isam is ASTOUNDING, i dont even think you are a Muslim, more of a kafir missionary posing as one to deviate people from Islam, nowonder your on the internet through out the day and night, must be your job. You have pathetic justifications for carrying out haraam, you dont fool me, the only thing your good at is manipulating words and quotes, your playing with words only confirms your inabilaty to refute the laws of Allah,

Your a sick manipulative perverted individual and I find it hilarious how someone like you that talked about some innocent pashtun girls, on a cultural video, that shadow uploaded, as though they are bitches on heat has the audasity to analayze ahadith as if some scholar all of a sudden, stick to conversations were saudi women are "va vaa voom" and hunting pashtana girls on the internet as thats all your good for, multiple people on this forum label you as a sex freak and pervert which is why your religious dialoges hold no ground and are dismissed.

So let me get this straight, instead of confronting the hadith and topic at hand, you mention some totally irrelevant event to the immediate subject, Yet have ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence to support your argument. Then when evidence from an ISLAMIC SOURCE comes, which by you can't rebutt, you're astounded by other's so called version of Islam?

That's a classic case of denial , FACE IT, you're wrong, Your "version" of Islam has NO basis in Islam in the first place.

[Manzareh]

The Question shouldn't be why did Abu Bakr call it satanic instruments

your question should be, why Muhammad(saw) didn't.

Unless you think Abu Bakr knows more than Muhammad(saw)?

Its common sence that Abu Bakr called them satanic instruments as a result of Muhammad saw's teachings, Sahaba wouldnt come out with their own statements specially Abu Bakr so therefore this knowledge of satanic instruments must have come from Muhammad saw's words

[Afghanistan2010]

Originally Posted by Afghanistan2010
I quote Kais,when he said,he had drunk it and it is a privilege that it is haram in Islam.

Brother Kais,wrote in Random Thread,that it is the mother of every evil.

[Manzareh]

So let me get this straight, instead of confronting the hadith and topic at hand, you mention some totally irrelevant event to the immediate subject, Yet have ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence to support your argument. Then when evidence from an ISLAMIC SOURCE which you can't rebutt, you accuse others of being incompetent in interpretating Islam?

That's a classic case of avoidance, FACE IT, you're wrong, Your "version" of Islam has NO basis in Islam in the first place.

Dont get ahead of yourself and trip over your laces, i mentioned the relevent topic/hadith that you mentioned in the next post.

Its not that i cant rebutt/incompetant in interpretating, its that i fear Allah and fear making my own conclusions to hadiths and then portraying my own opinions as wahee as you do without giving a secound thought, your not qualifed to do so.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Because of the Islam of Mulla billions of Muslims both men and women are deprived of fine arts like music, dance, paintings, sculpture etc. They are living dull lives with out entertainment and their creativity is sacrifced at the altar of sadistic, anti art and anti life Mullaism.

The solution which I always insist is to accept Islam just a religion(beliefs+worship+morality) and NOT as a complete code of life including art and culture. Arab culture or art has nothing to do with the religion of Islam. This way a Mulla will be unable to issue decrees allowing or forbidding arts like music. Mulla will deal only subjects of religion and not art.

Another approach is to accept Hadith only on religion and not on non religious subjects like art. All the above hadiths prohibiting music are fabricated because of simple reason that music is not a subject of religion. I personally dont believe in any hadith in non religious matters or a hadith which is against Quran, reason and common sense.

Quran itself is music as music is rhyme, rhythm and melody which is Quran. Music is poetry which is sung and Quran has all elements of poetry.

The issue is not to debate whether music is haram or halal, the issue is to exclude music from the fold of religion and enjoy it in your non religious part of life.

And yes Pashtun women must be encouraged to fully participate in all activities of fine arts including music.

All that is fine and well, except the argument you always make is tiring and wrong.

Almost every post of yours says "Islam is just a religion... it does not have anything to do with you lifestyle/culture/education/society/politics", but this is wrong as it CLEARLY states in the Qur`an that Islam is for all aspects of ones life. Every single aspect of a Muslim's life should be influenced by Islam.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its common sence that Abu Bakr called them satanic instruments as a result of Muhammad saw's teachings, Sahaba wouldnt come out with their own statements specially Abu Bakr so therefore this knowledge of satanic instruments must have come from Muhammad saw's words

If it was common sense, why didn't Muhammad(saw) say it?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Dont get ahead of yourself and trip over your laces, i mentioned the relevent topic/hadith that you mentioned in the next post.

Its not that i cant rebutt/incompetant in interpretating, its that i fear Allah and fear making my own conclusions to hadiths and then portraying my own opinions as wahee as you do without giving a secound thought, your not qualifed to do so.

oh is that it? why weren't you fearing allah(swt) earlier in the thread when you were going around claiming it is harram and against Islam? but suddenly when you're backed in a corner you fear Allah?

I love how conveniently this Fear of Allah comes to you when you're cowardly trying to back down from failing in a debate.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Originally Posted by Afghanistan2010
I quote Kais,when he said,he had drunk it and it is a privilege that it is haram in Islam.

Brother Kais,wrote in Random Thread,that it is the mother of every evil.

Say ...I swear upon the Qur'an Sharif I have never drank any alcohol in my entire life"

[Manzareh]

If it was common sense, why didn't Muhammad(saw) say it?

but he did say it, which is why abu bakr said it, , he had his own reasons for not saying it at the specific time, and now your going to ask why he didnt say it at the specific time right? well he was a prophet of allah and new better than you and me.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

but he did say it, which is why abu bakr said it, , he had his own reasons for not saying it at the specific time, and now your going to ask why he didnt say it at the specific time right? well he was a prophet of allah and new better than you and me.

So you're saying Muhammad(sw) would allow something that he taught was Satanic?

That's BASICALLY what you're claiming here.

[Manzareh]

oh is that it? why weren't you fearing allah(swt) earlier in the thread when you were going around claiming it is harram and against Islam? but suddenly when you're backed in a corner you fear Allah?

I love how conveniently this Fear of Allah comes to you when you're cowardly trying to back down from failing in a debate.

because what i said that was haram and against is islam is 100% assertive its common/basic knowledge, not some interpretation of the Quran from my own opinion as you find no problem in doing. get it? you twist the words of the Quran and Hadith, be careful.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

because what i said that was haram and against is islam is 100% assertive its common/basic knowledge, not some interpretation of the Quran from my own opinion as you find no problem in doing. get it? you twist the words of the Quran and Hadith, be careful.

100% assertive it's common sense ....even though we just showed you Hadith where the Prophet (saw) not only ALLOWED Music, which you claim he thinks is Satanic; but even encouraged Aisha to send a singer to entertain someone

but somehow you were 100% certain irregardless of the evidence eh?

[IamDZJ]

even if it was allowed, the audience they would have had back then is not the same as the perverts cheering up for their "liberty" today. So what is the point??

[Manzareh]

So you're saying Muhammad(sw) would allow something that he taught was Satanic?

That's BASICALLY what you're claiming here.

Yes he would, he let a man urinate in the masjid.

todo with why he never closed the satanic instruments down on the spot only allah knows, but when you stop somebody abrubtly and in a rude way its shaming them up, as a result of this they might not even listen to you, the chance for them stopping the satanic act might never stop because of this, however if you let them carry on and later sit them down and explain to them they will stop the satanic act, thats just from the top of MY head, who knows the wisdom of Muhammad SAW and when he chose to speak his words or explain the laws of Allah.