More Pashtun women should be involved in music and arts

[Manzareh]

That's because you're doing the very thing you claim that you're "Fearing Allah" and not doing; that being ...imposing your own opinions and claiming they're from Allah(swt).

whether i fear allah or dont fear allah still doesnt change the fact that your talking a load of BS does it

[RevolutionThroughReason]

How many times do i have to tell you, you cannot win a debate with me by twisting words, mix and blending quotes, running around sweating that bold head of yours in search of material to manipulate LOL.

what has cleaning got to do with it? are you out of your mind!? just because he never ordered him to clean it up it automatically means he never allowed him? how does that work? idiot

morelike if i allow someone to make a mess then il clean it up, if i dont allow them to make a mess i'l make them clean it.

your really desperate now arent you.

You say this after you made "let him finish" into "I allow bedouins to urinate in Masjids". You lack evidence in support of your argument.

He told him what he is doing is wrong, DIRECTLY, in the Hadith; he does not do so in the hadith of the women singing, and he actually ADVISED 'Aisha to send a singer/musician to someone as a wedding gift.

Based on the evidence it works in showing that you're wrong.

clueless Jahil

[RevolutionThroughReason]

whether i fear allah or dont fear allah still doesnt change the fact that your talking a load of BS does it

Where is is your proof?

I have proved

a.) Nabi(saw) let women sing around him and didn't correct them
b.) he encouraged 'Aisha(ra) to send a musician/performer to someone
c.) he did not give permission to a bedouin to urinate and he later corrected him and told him it is forbidden.

You have zero evidence for your case

How's that for "b.s."?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I am not saying I want them to do this, I am saying their worldly benefit is in it.

you're advocating something against shari'ah. To be for shari'ah you don't advocate against it

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

First you started making some creapy profile photos and now this shi.t that you talk, what the hell is wrong whith you? Do you even understand what you type?

The things you see me doing here are for a reason.

You are the bigest hypocrite here, living in Holland having acces to all of education and information, but you want to deny this right for other peopel becuase you are not man enough to unite peopel, so you must keep them dum and ignorant?
Please get some help.

I don't live in Holland, you do.
Still, I have access to many things regardless of country.

I don't want to deny people education, I was saying that it would be smart for the rulers if they did, as they can easily rule ovcer dumb people, in the ways of the 10%.

And by the way you said this "Damtub is the culture of the Daam, who are not Pashtuns."
Singers are daam and I named a coupel of pashtun ones, and you yourself are also doing damtub, or you forgot the rap song, and now suddenly this peopel are not pashtun. If they are not pashtun than you are neither becuase you also folow the culture of daam.

No, Daam are singing gypsies who pass through various regions of Pashtunistan. Their culture is called Damtub. They are not Pashtun.

Pashtuns who sing and dance are still Pashtuns, singing and dancing does not remove ones ancestry, it is a part of our culture but Damtub is not our culture.

Lastly, Afghanistan will never become secular so I happy your dream is crushed.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

you're advocating something against shari'ah. To be for shari'ah you don't advocate against it

Many things you do contradict Shari`ah yet you also claim to be for it.

I can advocate views against Shari`ah because realistically, I will never be in any position to implement it in my lifetime.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Many things you do contradict Shari`ah yet you also claim to be for it.

I can advocate against Shari`ah because realistically, I will never be in any position to implement it in my lifetime.

lol how does that change the fact that you're in opposition he very thing you claim to want. LOL

do you just pump the shari'ah rhetoric because you feel obligated to do so to have "pashtun street cred" or something LOL

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

it will, your dream of sharia goverment will never come. Porky

Honestly, I don't care either way.

Like khushal said, you should remove Khost from your username.

[Manzareh]

You say this after you made "let him finish" into "I allow bedouins to urinate in Masjids". You lack evidence in support of your argument.

He told him what he is doing is wrong, DIRECTLY, in the Hadith; he does not do so in the hadith of the women singing, and he actually ADVISED 'Aisha to send a singer/musician to someone as a wedding gift.

Based on the evidence it works in showing that you're wrong.

clueless Jahil

You are the Jahil that CLEARLY twists words you insecure imbicle, see i speak straight to the point, your like a woman that has to lie and manipulate words to score points. grow up and man up.

i didnt say "Muhammad (saw) allow beduins to urinate in the Masjid" you lier, INFACT i said the opposite and used it as an example that because Muhammad saw didnt stop the beduin from urinating doesnt mean that beduins are allowed to urinate into the mosque. you snidy rat

He told them its wrong directly in the hadith yes but how does this conclude that he never approached the musicians later and told them its wrong?? you dont because you wernt there, the hadith that you used for your own advantage even backed up that musical instruments they were using were satanic.

first you used "singer" and now all ov a sudden youve changed it into "singer/musician" you must really think were as stupid as you are. prime example of twisting and manipulating words, shame on you.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

lol how does that change the fact that you're in opposition he very thing you claim to want. LOL

do you just pump the shari'ah rhetoric because you feel obligated to do so to have "pashtun street cred" or something LOL

Huh?

I am not in opposition to Shari`ah, it is a wonderful thing but it is not here.
When there is no Shari`ah, we can do whatever we want.

I advocate Shari`ah because it is from Allah however, sometimes I show you the perspective of a brutal man.
If I was in power, I would no doubt impliment Shari`ah, but only after benefitting from non-Shari`ah for a while.

Streets cred I have, but not for being Pashtun, it is for the crimes I have committed.

[Manzareh]

Where is is your proof?

I have proved

a.) Nabi(saw) let women sing around him and didn't correct them
b.) he encouraged 'Aisha(ra) to send a musician/performer to someone
c.) he did not give permission to a bedouin to urinate and he later corrected him and told him it is forbidden.

You have zero evidence for your case

How's that for "b.s."?

It doesnt take a genious to go on google and copy and past cherry picked hadiths and quotes and then say "iv provided proof" i can flood the page with hadiths concluding music is haraam, but i dont need to because

a) Its already well known and accepted by mainstream Muslims that Music is haraam, you pasting ov hadiths and personal opinions isnt going to change this
b) there is namus in pashtunwali and all pashtuns dont have women in their families singing and dancing so perverted men can juge whether they are "va va vooom" or not

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You are the Jahil that CLEARLY twists words you insecure imbicle, see i speak straight to the point, your like a woman that has to lie and manipulate words to score points. grow up and man up.

i didnt say "Muhammad (saw) allow beduins to urinate in the Masjid" you lier, INFACT i said the opposite and used it as an example that because Muhammad saw didnt stop the beduin from urinating doesnt mean that beduins are allowed to urinate into the mosque. you snidy rat

He told them its wrong directly in the hadith yes but how does this conclude that he never approached the musicians later and told them its wrong?? you dont because you wernt there, the hadith that you used for your own advantage even backed up that musical instruments they were using were satanic.

first you used "singer" and now all ov a sudden youve changed it into "singer/musician" you must really think were as stupid as you are. prime example of twisting and manipulating words, shame on you.

You speak straight to the point but make illogical and inconsistent and baseless arguments which lack any rational coherency? and you accuse me of being like a woman? that is as effeminate as it gets.

You're back peddling I'll even quote you on this.

Yes he would, he let a man urinate in the masjid.

here is the definition of "let"

let1    [let] Show IPA verb, let, let·ting, noun
verb (used with object)
1.
to allow or permit:

where did he give him permission?



Singing is music in case you haven't checked, which makes the voice a musical instrument.

sing verb \ˈsiŋ\
sang or sungsungsing·ing

Definition of SING

intransitive verb
1
a : to produce musical tones by means of the voice
b : to utter words in musical tones and with musical inflections and modulations

The only one here who's manipulating or has done any manipulating, IS YOU .....maybe that's why you have NO counter evidence just a bunch of Baseless hypotheses?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It doesnt take a genious to go on google and copy and past cherry picked hadiths and quotes and then say "iv provided proof" i can flood the page with hadiths concluding music is haraam, but i dont need to because

a) Its already well known and accepted by mainstream Muslims that Music is haraam, you pasting ov hadiths and personal opinions isnt going to change this
b) there is namus in pashtunwali and all pashtuns dont have women in their families singing and dancing so perverted men can juge whether they are "va va vooom" or not

You were proven wrong; and until you can prove otherwise, your case is zilch, just because many people are equally brainwashed as you doesn't make it more true

at one time idiots like yourself thought the world was flat. Just because you're brainwashed to believe something doesn't make it so.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

typical answer of spineless porky.
I am from Khost and I am pround of it, unlike you, who is from porkystan. LOL

If I am from Porkistan, Khost is in Porkistan too.

Enjoy said meal.

[Manzareh]

It says to allow or permit, and yes i still stick to my point that the beduin was allowed to continue. musical tones isnt the same as musical instrument, quote from werever you want to quote but realise that it make no difference and your surfing the dictionarys is in vain because muslims accept the voice and singing but man made musical instruments are classed as haraam mr mutazeali. now then thats enough of being on the computer il reply to your BS when im back, god knows how your here all night and day, nowonder you wear glasses, get a hobby.