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  • #106
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    Since you use Ibn Majah, then Ibn Majah is now permitted ....

    Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)
    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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    • #107
      Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
      Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)


      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #108
        Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
        Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)


        High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
          Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)


          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • #110
            Singing :


            best singing voice that I have heard (Nasheed) - YouTube
            High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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            • #111
              that's not a girl
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #112
                As i see Muttzeals don't fast and want to waste the times of the believers i will leave it at this.

                But everyone who has a brain will see the truth.
                High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                • #113
                  as I see ,...Extremist Hypocrites preach Islam but admit they drink alcohol


                  but somehow they can see who is fasting? SubhanAllah. .....
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post

                    But everyone who has a brain will see the truth.


                    Yes they will see this


                    Ibn 'Abbas said, " 'Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage to a man of theAnsar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No,' said 'Aishah. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) then said, The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing, 'Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.' " (Reported by Ibn Majah.)
                    this



                    None of the hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is valid as evidence on the judgment of prohibition. Moreover, all these hadiths are declared ‘weak’ by the followers of Ibn Hazm, Malik, Ibn Hanbal, and Ash-Shafi`i.

                    In his book, Al-Ahkam, Al-Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says, “None of the hadiths maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology).”

                    The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn An-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these Hadiths was proved to be authentic.”

                    Ibn Hazm says, “All the hadiths narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”
                    and this

                    The Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152).


                    Have nice day, and don't break your Iftar with sharab
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #115
                      Because of the Islam of Mulla billions of Muslims both men and women are deprived of fine arts like music, dance, paintings, sculpture etc. They are living dull lives with out entertainment and their creativity is sacrifced at the altar of sadistic, anti art and anti life Mullaism.

                      The solution which I always insist is to accept Islam just a religion(beliefs+worship+morality) and NOT as a complete code of life including art and culture. Arab culture or art has nothing to do with the religion of Islam. This way a Mulla will be unable to issue decrees allowing or forbidding arts like music. Mulla will deal only subjects of religion and not art.

                      Another approach is to accept Hadith only on religion and not on non religious subjects like art. All the above hadiths prohibiting music are fabricated because of simple reason that music is not a subject of religion. I personally dont believe in any hadith in non religious matters or a hadith which is against Quran, reason and common sense.

                      Quran itself is music as music is rhyme, rhythm and melody which is Quran. Music is poetry which is sung and Quran has all elements of poetry.

                      The issue is not to debate whether music is haram or halal, the issue is to exclude music from the fold of religion and enjoy it in your non religious part of life.

                      And yes Pashtun women must be encouraged to fully participate in all activities of fine arts including music.

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                        were these women singing though? ...LOL ....



                        your ignorance about Islam is ASTOUNDING!!!!


                        No, your VERSION of isam is ASTOUNDING, i dont even think you are a Muslim, more of a kafir missionary posing as one to deviate people from Islam, nowonder your on the internet through out the day and night, must be your job. You have pathetic justifications for carrying out haraam, you dont fool me, the only thing your good at is manipulating words and quotes, your playing with words only confirms your inabilaty to refute the laws of Allah,

                        Your a sick manipulative perverted individual and I find it hilarious how someone like you that talked about some innocent pashtun girls, on a cultural video, that shadow uploaded, as though they are bitches on heat has the audasity to analayze ahadith as if some scholar all of a sudden, stick to conversations were saudi women are "va vaa voom" and hunting pashtana girls on the internet as thats all your good for, multiple people on this forum label you as a sex freak and pervert which is why your religious dialoges hold no ground and are dismissed.
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                        *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                        Originally posted by Karachi
                        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                        • #117
                          Does anyone else see anything wrong with this team?

                          Khostai - Kafir
                          Toramana - Kafir
                          Osho - Kafir
                          RTR - ?

                          says alot
                          RTR
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                          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                          Originally posted by Karachi
                          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                          • #118
                            Khostai - Kafir
                            Toramana - Kafir
                            Osho - Kafir
                            RTR - Muttzeal follower,kafir.
                            High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                            • #119
                              Narrates ‘A’ishah (rta): The Messenger (sws) of God came to my residence while two female singers were singing the songs of Bu‘ath.1 The Holy Prophet (sws) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Meanwhile Abu Bakr (rta) entered and [seeing the singers] rebuked me thus: ‘Satanic musical instruments in the presence of the Holy Prophet (sws)?’ On hearing this God’s Messenger (sws) turned towards him and said: ‘Let them [sing and rejoice]’. When Abu Bakr was engaged in some other business, I signaled to the girls [to go out] and they left. It was on the ‘Id day.2 (Bukhari, No: 907)
                              Why did Abu Bakr RA say "Satanic musical instruments" did he pull that out of thin air?? Study the Seerah of the Prophet PBUH and youl understand that he was extremley careful not to hurt peoples feelings, for him to abruptly stop people that are welcoming him in there own way would be rude, Islam was in its earli days and not all people had full understanding of the laws, better he let them carry on and explain later (something a prophet would do) and same with the ethiopian quote, if looking at dancing/singing women on TV is halal then why did he turn his face? your own quotes backfire on you subhanallah.

                              There was a man once that started to urinate in the jamaa' area of the masjid, the sahaba went to stop him but the Prophet PBUH said leave him, does this mean your allowed to take a pi5s in the masjid now o wise shaykh ul hadith RTR?

                              all of a sudden everything desirable has strong hadiths and anything that prohibit evil desires is now from weak hadiths, typical cherry picking.
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                              *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                              Originally posted by Karachi
                              like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                                Why did Abu Bakr RA say "Satanic musical instruments" did he pull that out of thin air?? Study the Seerah of the Prophet PBUH and youl understand that he was extremley careful not to hurt peoples feelings, for him to abruptly stop people that are welcoming him in there own way would be rude, Islam was in its earli days and not all people had full understanding of the laws, better he let them carry on and explain later (something a prophet would do) and same with the ethiopian quote, if looking at dancing/singing women on TV is halal then why did he turn his face? your own quotes backfire on you subhanallah.

                                There was a man once that started to urinate in the jamaa' area of the masjid, the sahaba went to stop him but the Prophet PBUH said leave him, does this mean your allowed to take a pi5s in the masjid now o wise shaykh ul hadith RTR?

                                all of a sudden everything desirable has strong hadiths and anything that prohibit evil desires is now from weak hadiths, typical cherry picking.
                                The Question shouldn't be why did Abu Bakr call it satanic instruments

                                your question should be, why Muhammad(saw) didn't.

                                Unless you think Abu Bakr knows more than Muhammad(saw)?
                                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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