More Pashtun women should be involved in music and arts

[Manzareh]

You are no one to give a judgement on Pashtun Culture. Let the individual Pashtuns and Pashtun families decide for themselves. You have the right over your daughters, mother, and sisters (but not those of others) to treat them as subhuman or whatever. That would still be unfortunate though.

A kafir like you has even less of a right to give judgement on Pashtun culture. Yes i agree let the individual Pashtun families decide. now what??

[Manzareh]

[SIZE="3"]What astounds me is the level of perversion in the thinking of such people. These people enjoy music, movies, etc. which obviously involve women. But when it comes to their own women or women of other Pashtuns indulging in art, they say, they must not be allowed to do that.

So if you enjoy music then you have to lie to yourself and say "in Islam your allowed to do that"

Obviously not

This implies one thing i.e., these people have only one image of women artists i.e., that of "sex objects and objects of sensual entertainment".

No it doesnt imply that at all, if a Muslim man turns his face away from women its not because she is a sex object but because it is a command of Allah, simple as that, try as hard as you want but you munafiqoon will never be able to change the laws of zina to suit your own tendencies.

[Manzareh]

I found it affable that Manzareh has the nerve to somehow claim his foreign interpretation of Islam is somehow the normative Pashtun outlook on the whole matter; ignoring the entire customs and history of Pashtun society which features both male and female dancing, singing , poets, artists, writers and so on.

we have history both recent and modern which demonstrate how wrong he is. That's what happens when Pashtuns learn about their religion from a foreign approach.

Foreign interpretation? foreign as in spreading your foreign mutazilla ideology to wreck Afghanistan, just like the foreign wahabi ideology that has wrecked it, dont talk about foreign, YOU are a foreigner you have no idea on pashtun etiquette's you dont even understand them your so white washed.

like i said before, Islam before culture.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

What planet are you on? you think everyone is as liberal as nazia iqbals family?? LOL go visit the pashtun lands and then tell me the percentage of females allowed to walk surr toor let alone be dummaan, this confirms my judgement of you when i said before "youve not lived in afghanistan"

Liberal? How liberal is she really? I've never seen her wear bikinis on stage or short skirts? What about Zar Sanga, was her family also liberal? she's from a Kuchi background who are the original Pashtuns.

I think the problem is you're too radicalized in your thinking.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Foreign interpretation? foreign as in spreading your foreign mutazilla ideology to wreck Afghanistan, just like the foreign wahabi ideology that has wrecked it, dont talk about foreign, YOU are a foreigner you have no idea on pashtun etiquette's you dont even understand them your so white washed.

like i said before, Islam before culture.

well before it was "Pashtun this" or "Pashtun that" ......even in Islam you're wrong.


The Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], “Muhammad is a righteous servant.” The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “What are they saying?” And they said, “‘Muhammad is a righteous servant’” (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 3.152).


really start learning your own religion.


Mu'tazilah was probably the first form of Islam to even come to Pashtun areas, so again don't speak on what you don't know.

[Friend]

I will have no hesitation if any of my lot wanted to become an artist---Obviously, that has got nothing to do with your provocations.

You should encourage them as you encourage others. You should try your level best for the betterment of the society.

[Toramana]

So if you enjoy music then you have to lie to yourself and say "in Islam your allowed to do that"

Obviously not



No it doesnt imply that at all, if a Muslim man turns his face away from women its not because she is a sex object but because it is a command of Allah, simple as that, try as hard as you want but you munafiqoon will never be able to change the laws of zina to suit your own tendencies.

The bigoted interpretation you are attaching to the commands of Allah indicates your own insecurity regarding your women-folk, your identity crisis, your lack of guts to adjust or to at least find some level of compatibility with modern global culture, and a fundamental lacking in your brought up (some confined brought up). It is not something written on the wall. 95% Muslims in your own environment would not agree with you---would rather consider you psychologically unstable.

You simply have taken refuge in an interpretation that provides some moral ground to your psychologically abnormal thinking and weaknesses of your personality and character. I can well imagine how maladjusted you might be in your environment.

Now just answer one question; why is it ok for you to watch movies and listen to songs ? If you are not looking at it as art and consider it bad for your own women and think that there is sin attached to it, doesn't it indicate you are doing it for your own pervert satisfaction? Were you considering it art, you would not be considering it sinful.

Work on your own-self instead of super-imposing your abnormal/unstable psychosis on others.

[Toramana]

You should encourage them as you encourage others. You should try your level best for the betterment of the society.

EmKhan, my lot if she wants can sing a song, compose a piece of music, write poetry, etc. and present it to others with dignity and self-esteem without caring what medieval century apes are thinking about her. I am absolutely ok with that.

The thing is, you should do something about your pervert thinking. When you look at art with a perverted attitude(thinking there is sin attached with it even though enjoying watching all those women), that must be taking you to some lustful state. That is not virtuous man. Do something about that---something for your moral health.

[Toramana]

EmKhan is trying that medieval type peghor on me to cause me shame and embarrassment---those pity Kaliwal tricks. World has gone far ahead feudalistic medievalism of Shangla.

[randolph85]

saw an afghan woman giving a lecture about afghan women participating in art yesterday, she was married to a white guy and drinking wine in the afternoon while rubbing noses with rich jews.

i am all for afghan women participating in these things, but 100% against this stuff being promoted or invested in by kaffirs. art for the sake of strengthening the culture, not to be some kaffirs little pet project.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

what was said Afghan woman's name?

[faye]

you're the one playing with words; you're introducing ideas and words that no one stated.

you're a liar, and if you're fasting you should fear Allah becuse lying is a bigger sin during siyam.

you are pretending to be the 'knight in shining armour' for the women of afghanistan?..LOL

[RevolutionThroughReason]

you are pretending to be the 'knight in shining armour' for the women of afghanistan?..LOL

The only one pretending here are elderly white women coming here looking for a strapping middle eastern masseuse boy for her evil agenda

[faye]

massage is evil? is that your religious guilt talking? sounds un-'reason'able, to me.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This is what I wrote
"Pashtun women should be active in ALL aspects of life, including the arts and music, just as men are"

This is what

DaZahroJam, EmKhan and other myopic ignorant individuals read

" Pashtun women should be made to wear scantily clad attire or better yet stripped down nude, oiled up and pole dance to really crappy disco music while men watch"



these mentally challenged people have difficulty in understanding hard concepts like , liberty, progress and human betterment.