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third coffee and 5th siggy later...actually, i checked out the camel spider website not long ago. they can be 8 inches and can cause infection if they bite. read the myths too. you see their picture? scary dudes. they are in america and mexico too apparently. red back spiders are cool. they tend to stay around their web. i had them about a foot away from my bed, when i stayed in a friends big shed once.