REQUEST to All PF Members

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Khabara kho dey kha da sir jeeeee kho Due to various dialects of pashto one won't be able to understand it in roman form.....Laka da Nokia pa pukhto chey mung na pohegu.....

[Dawezai]

Jana, every language has dialects. English, for example, has hundreds of dialects but it has a standard dialect as well. Pashto has about 90 dialects but most Pashto dialects, luckily, differ from each other in terms of phonetics and not in terms of lexicon. So, as we have a standard dialect written in Arabic script now, we can have a standard Pashto dialect written in Roman script as well. The Arabic script of Pashto has so many flaws and faults which cannot be fixed without Romanisation.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Jana, every language has dialects. English, for example, has hundreds of dialects but it has a standard dialect as well. Pashto has about 90 dialects but most Pashto dialects, luckily, differ from each other in terms of phonetics and not in terms of lexicon. So, as we have a standard dialect written in Arabic script now, we can have a standard Pashto dialect written in Roman script as well. The Arabic script of Pashto has so many flaws and faults which cannot be fixed without Romanisation.

Claiming that the Pashto script which is in Arabic contains flaws that cannot be fixed without Romanisation does not stem from observation nor extensive knowledge of language. But rather from hatred and animosity to our religion and connection with the Muslim world.

Only communists, secularists, atheists, sell-outs and traitors advocate Romanisation of script in Islamic societies.

While the modern electronic developments open doors for Arabic script and in an era where even Facebook is offering its services in Pashto, we have some "geniuses" who advocate Romanisation.

[Dawezai]

Mulana saib, sorry if it offends you but language has got nothing to do with religion. I am afraid, the oversized religious goggles that some of us wear all the times result in weak judgments and hamper logical thinking.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Mulana saib, sorry if it offends you but language has got nothing to do with religion. I am afraid, the oversized religious goggles that some of us wear all the times result in weak judgments and hamper logical thinking.

the oversized kufr goggles you are wearing is not helping your judgment. Don't project your own condition upon others.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

the oversized kufr goggles you are wearing is not helping your judgment. Don't project your own condition upon others.

You know, people don't give you enough credit for your sense of humor. The only person who manages to make me laugh out loud here literally is you.

[SWATIAN]

ka dalta PF ke pakhto keyboard install kray shey no dair khwand ba waki.

[tor_khan]

مونږ خلق هسې مليان نۀ منو.........سنګر ملا ته وګورئ څومره د مزې خبره ئې وکړه........اوس زۀ پوئ شوم چې د ملا خبرې ډېر خوږ تاثير لري ځکه خو ئې ملګري ډېر دي.............ګپ لګوم
سنګر جانه ډېره ښه ائيډيا دې مخې ته راوويشته...........مونږ له پکار دي چې خپله ژبه ليکو، لولو او وايو.........د نن نه پس زۀ ستا مريد شوم.......... باچاجي زۀ تاسو سره دا وعده کوم چې پښتو کښې به پوسټونه کوم.............ښه

بل ما وئيل دا غوښتل چې ماسره د پښتو سافټ وئير شته چې نوم ئې لېوال دے.........د دې په انسټالولو سره مونږ په خپل کمپيوټر کښې هره ونډو کښې پښتو ليکل کولې شو.......کۀ انټرنيټ اېکسپلورر وي، کۀ اېم اېس ورډ، او کۀ بل پروګرام د دې سافټ وئير سره مونږ پښتو ليکلي شو...........ځکه چې دا يو ځان له پروګرام نۀ دے لکه د اېن پېچ وغېره پشان بلکه دا د ونډو دپاره جوړ دے او انسټالولو نه پس په ونډو کښې دوه لېنګويج يا ژبې راشي يو انګرېزي او بله پښتو نو اوس دا د استعمالونکي کار دے چې کومه ژبه استعمالوي او پکاروي ئې..........
کۀ څوک ما ته د دې پروګرام د اي مېل کولو طريقه وښائي نو ورته به ئې ولېږم ځکه چې ما اورېدلي دي چې عام طور سره سټ اپ واله پائلز نۀ اي مېل کېږي

مننه
يوسفزے

يوسفزے جان ستاسو ده سافټوير په زِپ فائال فورماټ کښی شته؟

[tor_khan]

Jana, every language has dialects. English, for example, has hundreds of dialects but it has a standard dialect as well. Pashto has about 90 dialects but most Pashto dialects, luckily, differ from each other in terms of phonetics and not in terms of lexicon. So, as we have a standard dialect written in Arabic script now, we can have a standard Pashto dialect written in Roman script as well. The Arabic script of Pashto has so many flaws and faults which cannot be fixed without Romanisation.

I have never claimed to be an expert of Pashto, but honestly, I am not an advocate of Romanisation because the examples I have seen are VERY dialectic specific.

I say this quite honestly as someone who is by training an English teacher and who has some knowledge of IPL. The IPL system is said to represent all the known sounds and could be used to represent Pashto, so anyone whatever their first language, if taught IPL could sound out this: ˈaʊəz ɪz ə ˈbju:təfəl ˈlænd ˈri:ʧ ˈaʊt ən ˈnɒt steɪ ˈstɪl |. The cynic in me says, this is less plausible and at least with Egyptian hieroglyphs you can describe the pictures.

We have a solution in Pashto script - it covers the dialects, so whatever the dialect, we can pick it up and read the script. The big issue is we have is standardisation of spelling. English spelling conventions mostly come from the French and German root sources of the language (notice how in British English litre is indistinguishable from the French word) and early English text sources will show any number of spellings for commonly used words. These didn't really become standardised until the invention of the printing press and later the media helped tidy some more of these up (think the Times Newspaper/the BBC as helping to standardise).

That is where the media can really help Pashto. I often check back on the BBC for my spellings for Pashto, because even here I can see a change. There is a tendency for BBC to simply the ی/ے. We have had a number of discussions on this here on PF and personally, I think before we even get to the nitty gritty of perfect spelling, we have to be prepared to use our language and support it with our script.

My thoughts.

[Master Khan]

wrora we all speak different pashto and some members can't read pashto.
it will be different to understand what people are typing..we all can read and understand english so thats why we post in English.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

يوسفزے جان ستاسو ده سافټوير په زِپ فائال فورماټ کښی شته؟

نه لالا!!!! خواري خو دغه ده چې په زپ فارمېټ کښې نۀ دے

[Dawezai]

We have a solution in Pashto script - it covers the dialects, so whatever the dialect, we can pick it up and read the script.

Could you please cite an example where the Arabic script covers different dialects of Pashto but which the Roman script doesn't?

[Nadir Shah]

Jana, every language has dialects. English, for example, has hundreds of dialects but it has a standard dialect as well. Pashto has about 90 dialects but most Pashto dialects, luckily, differ from each other in terms of phonetics and not in terms of lexicon. So, as we have a standard dialect written in Arabic script now, we can have a standard Pashto dialect written in Roman script as well. The Arabic script of Pashto has so many flaws and faults which cannot be fixed without Romanisation.

My thoughts exactly, Dawezai Lala. I actually worked along these lines a year back. It is very crude and unprofessional but I shall share a few things with you.

[Dawezai]

Jamshyd Jana, please do share your research with us. We have also been working on the Romanisation of Pashto which I will share with you soon.

[din]

mosh tola bayad pa pashto khabarey wako. zma ummar der dey no zma dona zhar da keyboard typing na izda kezhey