Zindadil Pakistan from Rawalpindi

[Karachi]

Naa sirf tu ek buzdil aur nihayati ghatya insaan hai, tu ek number ka gadaar bhi hai.
bohot gadaari ki hai tu ne apni qaum ke saat.
chand pathanon ke saat tera online rishta kya judh gaya, apne khud ka virsa hi tu ne chodh diya. afsos ki baat hai.
besharam, apne naam se karachi hattaa. kamazkam apne buzurgon ki qurbaani ka ehsaas kar.

I am a Pakistani who is dying to return one day very soon and get rich using the many resources available there. i will live like a king yet again.

Gadaar for what? just criticizing the country and it's ways? It's you people (elites) who are looting the country and you are calling me Gadaar lol. I always criticize what is wrong, when I find some thing right, I will appreciate it. These days there is hardly any thing good in pakistan to appreciate, everything is corrupt and evil in that country. I am not some blind nationalist who will say how great pakistan is, when it's completely the opposite.

and aren't you the one who said that pakistan should combine back with india lol, how come you're proud pakistani all of a sudden?

[Arooj Khan]

He doesn't need to spread hatred, look at the state of your country and see it for yourself

Prince ALHAMDULILLAH i have two eyes to watch everything with , if I compare the state of my country with the neighbouring states then i thank ALLAH that my people are strong enough to face all this problems and overcome the hurdles in their success .

[Arooj Khan]

I doubt that. Kindly, don't append the word "Pashtuns" with "Pakistani". The word "Pakistani" alone defines you.

Well , how are you SIR TORAMANA I'm so pleased to see you again after so long lol ,Well if I introduce myself as Arooj Khan of Pakistan then everybody recognise me as a Pashtun from Pakistan , think about yourself your name is much more like Hindu rather than Pashtun , Pakistani , Aghan , or Muslim .

[Arooj Khan]

what is your identity though? Pakistan created for Indian Muslims

So youre a Pashtun Pakistani Indian Muslim'?

You wrote the sentence wrongly with the twist of your mind , it was not made for indian muslims but it were Muslims who snatched this part of land from indians and it got the name of Pakistan where sacred people are living , no matter if the politicians suck !!
But your name and personality is a big question ??!! i think you don't have the courage to write your name here .

[Arooj Khan]

ok what exactly are you so proud of?

Its the Pride and Love of my country that I'm Proud of , and that is the thing you don't have even as being a Pakistani . You should be a shamed of what Hakim Khan Urgonai said about you .

[Arooj Khan]

Gadaar for what? just criticizing the country and it's ways? It's you people (elites) who are looting the country and you are calling me Gadaar lol. I always criticize what is wrong, when I find some thing right, I will appreciate it. These days there is hardly any thing good in pakistan to appreciate, everything is corrupt and evil in that country. I am not some blind nationalist who will say how great pakistan is, when it's completely the opposite.

and aren't you the one who said that pakistan should combine back with india lol, how come you're proud pakistani all of a sudden?

I think you have ELITES Phobia lol Muhteram as reality slap that's why you burst out of rage but believe me the title Traitor suits you the best
Actually Nationalist are not blind its your own darkness that you couldn't see the rising new generation ,their outstanding and remarkable achievement throughout the world but people like you are always stuck to the politicians Black deeds !!!

Apny ass pass buht sary geedar daikh kar zyada khush mat hu or sher bany ki nakam koshish mat karo buht achy se janti hun mai app jaisy logo ko !!!!!!! URDU tu ati hi hu ge na app ko lol

[Admin Khan]

Aside from the term 'Pakistani Pashtun/Afghan' being an oxymoron, what we saw here is a typical Pakistani move, as soon as you are asked to think a bit harder, pull out the traitor card followed up by the 'don't question the Holy Banana republic', and the blasphemy card if necessary. I've seen our respected member Karachi defend Pakistan when there is unnecessary criticism, so spare him the nonsensical comments. Remember Pakistanis, it was constructive criticism that made the USA the strongest nation on earth, sole superpower, best universities in the world, most research, best medical schools, best hospitals, I mean think about it and compare them to Pakistani schools that produce parrots who claim they can violate laws of Thermodynamics. The conclusion was that he was a police officer who robbed the country for funds, and I think he is now locked up. While most of you continue to display your 'pride', other nations are owning you inside and out. Continue Pakistani nationalists, or 'lovers' one day you will wake up and don't say you weren't warned. Nuclear power my foot. Blind love at best, you have a monster on hand.

[torkham]

I think merman arooj and shaglay hakim are right to be proud of their pakistan. I am of opinion their pride is in their nation, made up of their fellow citizens, panjabi or baloch, cindhi of pashtun, and it does not mean they are proud of the corrupt individuals, institutions or their indo-phobic complexes.their pride reflects a confidence in themselves. An honourable trait, to accept and show the acceptance of what you are. I know we all despise the corruption, the injustices, the liars and the cheaters, the theives and the oppressors, but that is not a nation. These are traits and people of such low traits, totally different from the love of one self, one's country, one's father and mother. Like the latin proverb, "dolce est decoruum pro ptria est mori", it is indeed honourable and fitting to believe in somethong so much that you are willing to give your proverbial life for it.

In my afghanistan, i share the sense of comradre Abdul Haq espoused, that khazara, tajik, pashtun ow nuristani, we are brothers in one nation (dont drag me into his ISI or CIA entanglement, thats another story). So pakistanis being indian muslims is really meaning less, they are indeed muslims who managed to be recipients of the windfall, the land. What is unfortunately painted with one brush is their incompetence and mismanagement and other malpractices that people remember them for.

I have more respect for a pakistani who proudly says he is pakistani then someone who says i am british or american just bcz of passport.

[Karachi]

I think you have ELITES Phobia lol Muhteram as reality slap that's why you burst out of rage but believe me the title Traitor suits you the best
Actually Nationalist are not blind its your own darkness that you couldn't see the rising new generation ,their outstanding and remarkable achievement throughout the world but people like you are always stuck to the politicians Black deeds !!!

Apny ass pass buht sary geedar daikh kar zyada khush mat hu or sher bany ki nakam koshish mat karo buht achy se janti hun mai app jaisy logo ko !!!!!!! URDU tu ati hi hu ge na app ko lol

pakistani nationalists are not blind? lol, also what so called achievements are you talking about? what has pakistan done for you to be so proud off?

You are just giving me vague answers, a typical blind nationalist trait

also, mujhe Urdu bahut achi aati hai

[Karachi]

I think merman arooj and shaglay hakim are right to be proud of their pakistan. I am of opinion their pride is in their nation, made up of their fellow citizens, panjabi or baloch, cindhi of pashtun, and it does not mean they are proud of the corrupt individuals, institutions or their indo-phobic complexes.their pride reflects a confidence in themselves. An honourable trait, to accept and show the acceptance of what you are. I know we all despise the corruption, the injustices, the liars and the cheaters, the theives and the oppressors, but that is not a nation. These are traits and people of such low traits, totally different from the love of one self, one's country, one's father and mother. Like the latin proverb, "dolce est decoruum pro ptria est mori", it is indeed honourable and fitting to believe in somethong so much that you are willing to give your proverbial life for it.

In my afghanistan, i share the sense of comradre Abdul Haq espoused, that khazara, tajik, pashtun ow nuristani, we are brothers in one nation (dont drag me into his ISI or CIA entanglement, thats another story). So pakistanis being indian muslims is really meaning less, they are indeed muslims who managed to be recipients of the windfall, the land. What is unfortunately painted with one brush is their incompetence and mismanagement and other malpractices that people remember them for.

I have more respect for a pakistani who proudly says he is pakistani then someone who says i am british or american just bcz of passport.

There is nothing wrong in having pride in your culture, values etc... I am not criticizing that. however (blind nationalism) is the thing I am against. These pakistani nationalists have done no good to the country, if they were at least helping pakistan to make it a better country, then it would be a different story. Remember these blind nationalists are the same people who usually support the army, ISI, government who have caused so much havoc/killings in the country and neighboring areas. In fact these people do nothing, except support their beloved army and ISI, they dont solve any real problems of the pakistani people, they have no vision at all because they are blinded by their false nationalism. In my eyes a real proud person is some one who go's out of their way to help their fellow citizens in need, they are the ones who make the country a better place and I will certainly appreciate those people.

[torkham]

Indeed, karachi, blind patriotism that does not critically exmines one's pride is a faux pas. To reiterate being patriotic or having national pride is one admirable dimension. Getting confused of what one really is proud of, as you assert, is another manifestation that requires introspection by patriots/nationalist. I know when I say I am a proud afghan or pashtun, I am refering to my nationsal and cultural identity, and not a reference to the accomplishments (or lack of) of my country. The accomplishments are additional supporting acts that reflect progress, development, industry, enterprise, education and cohesiveness of the people. The failings are lack of aforementioned.

National pride has many aspects under one word and one as to be careful and prepared to answer the short comings.

[Arooj Khan]

pakistani nationalists are not blind? lol, also what so called achievements are you talking about? what has pakistan done for you to be so proud off?

You are just giving me vague answers, a typical blind nationalist trait

also, mujhe Urdu bahut achi aati hai

There is nothing wrong in having pride in your culture, values etc... I am not criticizing that. however (blind nationalism) is the thing I am against. These pakistani nationalists have done no good to the country, if they were at least helping pakistan to make it a better country, then it would be a different story. Remember these blind nationalists are the same people who usually support the army, ISI, government who have caused so much havoc/killings in the country and neighboring areas. In fact these people do nothing, except support their beloved army and ISI, they dont solve any real problems of the pakistani people, they have no vision at all because they are blinded by their false nationalism. In my eyes a real proud person is some one who go's out of their way to help their fellow citizens in need, they are the ones who make the country a better place and I will certainly appreciate those people.

Yes I expect the same from a person who is born and bred in europe holding western passport and beating the drums of rationalism while the reality is quite opposite .
So , you have started supporting your ideas with lies that I appreciate the army or ISI or the corrupt government !! show me a single post where i supported anyone of the three .
I'm all the time talking about my ideology and national identity and noone can surrender even if he hates lots of thing in system of government .
So tell me Mr. Loser defending one's one country is blind nationalism in your eyez ??
Esy kehty hen "Dosron ko naseehat Khud meya fazeehat" yaha nary lagaye ja rahy hen k koi kuch bhi nhi kar raha Pakistan k ley or khud europe mai petrol station pe baith kar bary bary tabsaron k sewa kuch nhi kar rahy lol
Well as a Taxi driver or a worker on petrol station may be you are unable to notice the latest meritorious achievement of Pakistani students worldwide . Take a glance on the following links and think for while what will be the future glory of the of such talented generation and their country .

Ali Moeen Nawazish - Pride of Performance!

http://www.topbrains.org/article/9/ali-moeen-nawazish-pride-of-performance

8-year-old Pak student Shafeh Thubani becomes world’s youngest Microsoft certified

http://siyasirecords.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/8-year-old-pak-student-shafeh-thubani-becomes-worlds-youngest-microsoft-certified/

Arfa Karim From Pakistan - The world's youngest programmer

Arfa Karim From Pakistan - The world's youngest programmer - YouTube

So what if my people are poor their hopes are still high , poverty hasn't frustrated their minds like you ,,,

http://blogs.thenews.com.pk/blogs/2012/08/ba-position-holder-a-tandoor-wala/

Check this video this is the latest slap on your pessimistic approach

Worker At "Tandoor" Stood 2nd in Intermediate Examination - YouTube!

[Karachi]

^ you are focusing on few individuals, those great few individuals exist in every society and I never said there is any thing wrong to be proud of those individuals. I am not against them and I would support them if I could. However these individuals do not represent the overwhelming pakistani society, which is becoming corrupt and evil to the bone. There is hardly any thing good left in that country anymore, whenever I visit that country I feel sick and I feel sorry for the few good individuals left there, I hope they themselves dont become part of the evil/corrupt system there, the whole society is degrading in every possible way and that is nothing to be proud off. If Pakistanis were willing to standup and change their country for the better, then trust me every pakistani whether in and out of the country will be proud, but unfortunately most pakistanis are sleeping or dead human beings

[Kushan Prince]

It's a sad day when a Pashtun calls himself a Pakistani. SMH.

[Arooj Khan]

Originally posted by Admin Khan
Aside from the term 'Pakistani Pashtun/Afghan' being an oxymoron, what we saw here is a typical Pakistani move, as soon as you are asked to think a bit harder, pull out the traitor card followed up by the 'don't question the Holy Banana republic', and the blasphemy card if necessary.

My brother if by thinking harder you mean critisizing and abusing my country and my people left and right then I'm sorry, let my arguments be childish . No nation is perfect It Needs To Be Made Perfect !! and if its own people are pessimistic specially the outsider (like karachi , toramana, and many others) exposing the weak points of their own to other then how can this state rise to the glory of success . They are digging a dark deep ditch for the progress of their own country .

I've seen our respected member Karachi defend Pakistan when there is unnecessary criticism, so spare him the nonsensical comments.

Well , i know that everybody is repected here who disrespect Pakistan and Pakistani , I realised when some of our friends banned just bcoz of raising protest against the insult of Pakistan . May be you are right but I'm refer the first post of this thread , what was the thread starter fault and look what was the reply of the Honourable Karachi The great defender of Pakistan ??!!!

Remember Pakistanis, it was constructive criticism that made the USA the strongest nation on earth, sole superpower, best universities in the world, most research, best medical schools, best hospitals, I mean think about it and compare them to Pakistani schools that produce parrots who claim they can violate laws of Thermodynamics. The conclusion was that he was a police officer who robbed the country for funds, and I think he is now locked up.

Do you think calling our Leader Quaid-e-azam a pork eater , calling us daalkhor, impure pashtuns, the british sellouts, calling our country porkistan IS A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM then hundred hats off to this so called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM .

While most of you continue to display your 'pride', other nations are owning you inside and out. Continue Pakistani nationalists, or 'lovers' one day you will wake up and don't say you weren't warned. Nuclear power my foot. Blind love at best, you have a monster on hand.

Well my brother bcoz of this power no other Muslim states is comparable to us throughout the world . This is the thing that keeps our enemy in their Limitz .

Hope you don't mind my comment as you know I respect you ,,,,,