Where I stand

[Manzareh]

Aseer jaana, iv met the most dishonourable people in my life in this group, i have met people that have no sence of respect for themselves, for islam or for what the pashtuns stand for. Its clear to see from there sinister posts that people are afraid and ashamed of being a "Muslim Pashtun" but they dont want to leave being a Muslim Pashtun, very confused individuals that do not know which side to pick they want all the charecteristics of a western kafir but at the same time want to associate themselves with our beautiful religion and pashtun culture, they want both, but of course its impossible hence the end product of someone called Roshina in this group. Its evident from her personality and also her avatar..she wants "a bit of both" in everything..im not judging her from the person she is im judging her from the posts in PF which are evidence.

How dare you call your self a Muslim when you twist the words of Allah to suit your own requirments, Roshina people like you are the ones that support self proclaimed scholars just because they have a niche opinion which suits you. you also call yourself a pashtun but are against the FUNDEMENTAL pillars of being a pashtun. It seems to me you support someone like Mrs.Anderson for the sole reason shes rejected Islamic morals aswel as Pashtun morals, in your feeble mind she's "cool". In short your rebelious follower that has no conscience.

[Dervaish]

ځه کله خپه یم که ټول جهان شی د بښتون
غواړﺉ چه ځه قید شوۍ د کانړو ګټو په وطن
ما ولۍ په ګټو ؤلۍ چه پښتو نه کوم٬ لیونۍ یم
که پوهه شوۍ ځما په عشق٬ پکش پښتو شته نه وطن

[Fahd]

thanx for the theard and i didn't undetand what u said about mullah omer ??
hmm !!

[Toramana]

I’ve had a few questions now from some forum members asking me to delineate what I stand for. Specifically, two of the questions ask what I envision for a Pashtoon state and how Americanism plays into this, in light of being raised here in the states. I’ll try to address this in a logical format. My hope is that this post sheds a little light on my prior posts and addresses some concerns.

BarakzaiAbdali, I have excerpts from your posts-copied below-, which makes it amply clear what do you actually stand for. Particularly interesting is the sentence where you say, "that brother is the era we should strive for" (highlighted red color) after recounting the virtues of early Muslim era under Hadrath Ummar and the return to that period in states.

However the concept of ummah was alive when Salman Farsi and Bilal the Abyssinian sat at the same majlis table as Umar, Uthman, and the Prophet himself, and here in the states, I see a return to the paradigm where the mosques are filled with Turks, Nigerians, Arabs, and Pashtoons, and converts led by the blackest of black imams. In all your citations of Islamic history you forgot that famous sahih hadith in which an arab offered to put his face in the dust and have Bilal step on it for having insulted Bilal's race. That brother, is the era to strive for.

[Toramana]

BarakzaiAbdali, your posts as I have read them show without any doubt that you are a pan-Islamist most probably a high-ranking official of Akhwanul-Muslimeen and possibly an ideologue of Al-Qaueda (I suspect you to be more associated with the person of Al-Zawahiri instead of Osama though-because Al-Zawahiri also has an Akhwani past) foreign mission. There are some hints in your posts e.g.,

-you say your mother is from Waziristan and father from Kandahar...Coupled with this you criticise Afghanistan for provoking Pakistan by making claims on its territory, inciting a rebellion there, opposing its UN membership, etc...This is the typical rhetoric the Islamist hardliners use when they defend Pakistan...

- the fondness with which you mention the utopian Muslim Ummah brotherhood and urge members here to strive for that era ... the excitement with which you talk about the Muslim Ummah paradigm returning to US Muslim community, etc.

- the extreme hostility with which you are talking against Farhat Taj ...obviously, it is not the death of civilians that is angering you...it is rather the death of some of the most effective Al-Qaueda leaders by drones and the survey by Farhat Taj showing the vindication of that fact and the support of tribal people for drone attacks on those that have made their lives miserable that is itching you...

-the way you are talking of America occupation...this is typical rhetoric Islamist hardliners kind of Paki nationalist use...

There are more indications in your posts that glaringly show where do you stand...All in all you are the member of the gang of General Hamid Gul, Qazi Hussain Ahmad, Hafiz Saeed, Colonal Imam, General Zia-ul-Haq, Aiman AlZawahiri, Osama Ibni Laden, Imran Khan, Mullah Ommar, etc.

[Toramana]

One thing more Mr Abdali...You are US citizen right? And here you have resorted to waging an Internet Jehad/intimidation/defamation campaign against Farhat Taj... you can be taken to court on that count...not to mention to be reported to agencies looking for extremists that can be potential threat to US security...

anyhow this thread didn't catch my eyes before ... i will saying response to it tommorrow....and will be pointing to the twisting of facts by you especially with regard to Islamist history...

[Toramana]

why do you always do this "you can be reported scheme"

No where did BarakzaiAbdalo support terrorism, and nor did he ever state any support for Al-Qaeda.

We all know that terrorism is wrong.

You equate anything that is remotely Islamic to terrorism. This is due to your un-Islamic feelings, and your hatred for Islam.

May Allah(swt) guide you back to the right path.

You truly are a lost soul.

You as well as he openly supported Jehad/Taleban....You rather said in one of the threads where the death of innocent Pashtuns in Momand agency in suicide bombing on Dec 5 was being discussed, "who were those people..."

Everyone can clearly see how you justified terrorist attack on civilians then...

I am not against common Muslims (because I am myself a common Muslim) but I am obviously against sadists like you who justify the killing of innocent Pashtuns in suicide bombing...

[Toramana]

Oh well,
you really have a habit of twisting words and spinning it into something else. This is completely inappropriate, and people will avoid discussing with you, so I kindly suggest to you as a Muslim brother to stop this.

I never justified the suicide bombing that killed innocent Pashtuns,

I was asking for a clarification. I will be more clear next time to avoid the likes of you twisting my words.

I have had respect for you in debate, but you always seem to do this thing.

You should engage with BarakzaAbdali properly.

Let there be healthy discussion!!!

Come on bro, we have to be united, not talking like this.

unknownprince, I am sorry but I would not be deceived by your pretentions.

This is typical trick of Muslims in the West to conceal their hatred of the West and Western values through such facades. Believe me, I have pretty deep understanding of the thinking of such people and can identify what ideological thoughts make them utter things in an ambiguous manner.

You explicitly said, "who were the people that were killed" subtly saying it was good they were killed because they were on the side of kuffar. Any person with a bit of humanity will be shocked by this news and respond with sorrow immediately.

And this is exactly the justification Taleban/Al-Qaueda put forward for their brutal act of killing innocent people in suicide bombing i.e. those who are innocent would go to Jannath and those who are infidels deserve such death.

In fact, the Paki army in Swat is telling people that if a 10 millions innocent people are killed, that is not a big cost to pay to save Pakistan.

[Toramana]

I wanted to know if it was the Pakistani Army or innocent civilians. Stop being delusional and mental. You are filled with hatred for anything remotely Islamic.

The killing of innocent people is against Islam, so stop trying to put words in my mouth.


Are you a psychiatrist now????


You and MI6 need to quit your attacks on Islam.

Otherwise, just continue having debates with each other and thanking each other.

No one will want to even engage in conversation with you guys, and you can continue to thank each other like clowns.

You didn't utter a single word of sypathy for those killed neither before nor after that one post in that thread...That suggests what justification do you have of that heinous act...Moreover, I also have your other posts in mind which makes it cleal what kind of "tendencies" do you have....

[Michin Khel]

Toramana it seems that you are targeting islam just to look enlighted and modern in the eyes of farangis, or may be FBI is having check on you..or may be you are trying to prove yourself more loyal than king himself.

[Michin Khel]

No maseeda i dont support taliban and wahabi verson of islam...sangar and unknownprince live in west, they dont know how much pashtun society has been destroyed by religous extremists.
You see i have not criticized your condemning of wahabis and talibans, i support your views. But i am uncomfortable at the toramana way of thinking towards islam, he clearly has some sort of inferiority complex.

[waleedkhattak]

Mr. Barakzai very well said