Nationalism in Afghanistan

[Admin Khan]

Nationalism in Afghanistan

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http://www.pashtunforums.com/NationalisminAfghanistan.pdf

[Nick]

Nationalism in Afghanistan

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http://www.pashtunforums.com/Nationa...fghanistan.pdf

I guess it was ok a mixture of many sources were put together, but mostly Mohmmad Ghubar's views, and their own British sources. Still lots of properganda.

Thanks dear for uploading good reading.

[Admin Khan]

I guess it was ok a mixture of many sources were put together, but mostly Mohmmad Ghubar's views, and their own British sources. Still lots of properganda.

Thanks dear for uploading good reading.

Can you list some of parts that you thought were propaganda? I am highly interested Nick Khan.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

An opinion on a social or political issue is an opinion. Having knowledge of what the other side thinks is just as important as knowing where you stand.

The author portrays Mohammad Daud Khan in a very negative light. On page 308, the operations for Pashtunistan are referred to as "opportunist".

By the way, this is another question, why does he say that the other ethnicities of Afghanistan felt alienated by Daud Khan's efforts to reclaim Afghan land lost in 1893?

[Admin Khan]

By the way, this is another question, why does he say that the other ethnicities of Afghanistan felt alienated by Daud Khan's efforts to reclaim Afghan land lost in 1893?

Many ethnicities till this day feel alienated and are against Pashtunkhwa joining Afghanistan. They try their very best to prevent Afghanistan from "annexing" the region. Why? Because minorities don't want to be lower in terms of population. Imagine 42million Pashtuns in one country. Do you honestly think Tajiks, Uzbeks or Hazaras can ever dominate us in such a country? Quite obviously Pashto will become our lingua-franca. No country want's see us united.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Nick]

Can you list some of parts that you thought were propaganda? I am highly interested Nick Khan.

Well Ok I am gonna cut and paste some parts since I am not too advance in computer into making this a text version which can make my life easier. if you have a text version please upload it. Anyways I have it saved some example at the attachment. But since you asked for some parts I tried my best to get as many since I had to scan-read it again. You can go through see if you get some things out of what I wanted to say. If you want me to explain the listed pragraphs, then let me know, actually I was about to but lack of time dear. So have a look at them.

thanks

[Admin Khan]

Very good questions. The best way to get this answer would perhaps be hopping on the 11-C or G-3 and getting off at Main University road. Right under Agha flora Juice center which is adjacent to Erum Square, you would find many Afghans who were once politically active. They could perhaps offer you a much elaborated answer. They usually begin their political talk after Maghrib prayer up until Isha prayer[which they usually offer at the Mosque in Times SQ].Since they are twice our age and self-proclaimed think-thanks they could perhaps offer a better rebuttal.[I kid, but you never know]but since right now we are on Pashtun Forums, I will offer you my $0.2 on this matter and you can take it for what its worth.

If Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras do not want Pakhtunknwa rejoining Afghanistan (because it's obviously against their interests), why do some Pashtuns still keep defending them and prefer their current statehood with them instead of one with Pashtuns from occupied Pakhtunkhwa (whilst not ceding off any territory of Afghanistan)?

Many Pashtuns defend them because they are fed up with Pashtuns of Pakistan allying with Punjabis. Countless times have I myself met a Pashtun from Pakistan who has gladly told me they love Punjabis and won't leave them in the dust[brainwashed?]. Usually, when I meet Pashtuns from different areas without them noticing or realizing, I like to conduct a serious of tests. 8/10 when I have asked them if they consider themselves "Pakistani" they respond "Of course, Pakistan is my country. I am a proud Pakistani". Now Levanaye Zalmaye, do you think one can honestly convince such a person to join war-torn Afghanistan? I am sure you have taken a few economic courses, which means that it won't be difficult for you to understand that this is more of a cost-benefit analysis. Why would Son of Mountains want to join Afghanistan when he receives better education and is employed in Pakistan with a higher pay? Better yet, I have met Afghan Americans who will offer the same argument about the U.S.A. "Why should I consider Afghanistan my home? I work and I am raised here. USA has fed me, not Afghanistan"

Many of the Pashtuns of Afghanistan[not all] have began to admit that in order to prosper they must settle their differences with other ethnic groups. I have noticed an influx of online users are now promoting "Afghan Nationalism" as opposed to "Pashtun Nationalism" the cause for this is quite obvious. When lets say they witness Levanaye Zalmaye with Abdul Raheem Memon smiling,joking[flirting?]they have this inner-feeling that tells them, If LZ can be so happy with Mr.Memon(PBUH)why cant I be just as happy with Mohammad Asif Mohsini? Its hard to convince people who are so lovey-dovey with their hamwatan to leave their present employer, educational institution etc, and start a new beginning with us.

From what I have noticed Afghans feel as though the love is not being reciprocated, this isn't a one way street LZ Jaan, you cant have Afghans yelling, "we want a Loy Afghanistan" when a Pashtun from Pakistan nearly made Afghanistan its proxy and 5th province. Similarly, Afghans have lost hope for a Loy Afghanistan after they experienced how Peshawaris called them Muhajirs. To those Afghans who have lost hope just because "Peshawaris" called you Muhajirs, I have a message for you as well. Just because a few illiterate Pashtuns whom are brainwashed called you "Muhajirs" doesn't mean all Pashtuns of Pakistan are bad. I have had great experiences with my brothers across the durrand and not a single day have I felt like I was in foreign territory. Good and bad exist in all societies.

Now have in mind Zalmaye Jaan, the above is strictly based on my experiences and its not necessarily how I feel on this matter. If you want to know how I admin Khan feel, I will be very clear. I see no difference between you and a Pashtun from Jalalabad or let's say Kandahar. I see no difference between Shadow Caster and Abdul Haq. Both are Pashtuns and both are my beloved brothers. I think we Pashtuns share too many similiarities to simply ignore our existence. I think we must unify under any circumstances. We can't be "push overs". We need to eradicate this image of us being war-mongering demons. We need to hold more Jirgas that involve Lar and Bar. We need to get more involved in Science and Technology. Wait, how does an annual Pashto conference sound to you? Wasn't there one recently for Persians? I strongly feel like we should sit together and realize a few things.

1)We are the same people.
2)We speak the same language, we are inseperable.
3)We share the same ancestry to some extent.
4)We have the same tribes on each sides of the evil-line.

How do you think Millatpal Noorzai feels everyday knowing that half of his tribe is in modern day Pakistan while the other half is in scattered areas of Afghanistan.

Alternatively, what does a non-Pashtun Afghan citizen think of an Afghan proper who says that he wants Pashtun reunification? We have some very vocal members here from the east of the Durrand who believe in lar ao bar yo Afghan but wouldn't they be sidelined and detested by the same non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan whom they defend as their equals?

Well, Levanaye Zalmaye let's be very clear on this. Let me drink a cup of water first so you can hear me properly ----I am back. The minute we Pashtuns of lar and bar set a goal i.e we must unify under any circumstances no Punjabi or tajik can stop us. However, alternatively keep in mind we will not tolerate Pakistan or any western nations telling us that Afghanistan must be "partitioned".That is just something no Afghan will tolerate. We don't want to meet the same fate as East and West Germany. If Pashtuns of Pakistan don't want to unify with us and they whole-heartedly reject us on our call for unity -- then I guess we have no problem with sitting down with minorities of Afghanistan and discussing peace projects to promote Afghan unity amongst our ethnic groups.

In conclusion,
Stay positive.

Staso wror,

-Admin Khan

Well Ok I am gonna cut and paste some parts since I am not too advance in computer into making this a text version which can make my life easier. if you have a text version please upload it. Anyways I have it saved some example at the attachment. But since you asked for some parts I tried my best to get as many since I had to scan-read it again. You can go through see if you get some things out of what I wanted to say. If you want me to explain the listed pragraphs, then let me know, actually I was about to but lack of time dear. So have a look at them.

thanks

Dear Nick,
I appreciate your response. I will review your post right now. Thanks!

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Admin Khan, that's one of the most intelligent and judicious posts I've seen on our forums. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for putting it into perspective. I wonder how you found out about Abdul Raheem Memon though......

[pukhtana]

Admin good post and manana for sharing the link.

[Shayesta]

@Admin
I can only hope at least now people understand why so easily feel offended regarding our country and people! Thanks so much for sharing, amazing post.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Very good questions. The best way to get this answer would perhaps be hopping on the 11-C or G-3 and getting off at Main University road. Right under Agha flora Juice center which is adjacent to Erum Square, you would find many Afghans who were once politically active. They could perhaps offer you a much elaborated answer. They usually begin their political talk after Maghrib prayer up until Isha prayer[which they usually offer at the Mosque in Times SQ].Since they are twice our age and self-proclaimed think-thanks they could perhaps offer a better rebuttal.[I kid, but you never know]but since right now we are on Pashtun Forums, I will offer you my $0.2 on this matter and you can take it for what its worth.

Many Pashtuns defend them because they are fed up with Pashtuns of Pakistan allying with Punjabis. Countless times have I myself met a Pashtun from Pakistan who has gladly told me they love Punjabis and won't leave them in the dust[brainwashed?]. Usually, when I meet Pashtuns from different areas without them noticing or realizing, I like to conduct a serious of tests. 8/10 when I have asked them if they consider themselves "Pakistani" they respond "Of course, Pakistan is my country. I am a proud Pakistani". Now Levanaye Zalmaye, do you think one can honestly convince such a person to join war-torn Afghanistan? I am sure you have taken a few economic courses, which means that it won't be difficult for you to understand that this is more of a cost-benefit analysis. Why would Son of Mountains want to join Afghanistan when he receives better education and is employed in Pakistan with a higher pay? Better yet, I have met Afghan Americans who will offer the same argument about the U.S.A. "Why should I consider Afghanistan my home? I work and I am raised here. USA has fed me, not Afghanistan"

Many of the Pashtuns of Afghanistan[not all] have began to admit that in order to prosper they must settle their differences with other ethnic groups. I have noticed an influx of online users are now promoting "Afghan Nationalism" as opposed to "Pashtun Nationalism" the cause for this is quite obvious. When lets say they witness Levanaye Zalmaye with Abdul Raheem Memon smiling,joking[flirting?]they have this inner-feeling that tells them, If LZ can be so happy with Mr.Memon(PBUH)why cant I be just as happy with Mohammad Asif Mohsini? Its hard to convince people who are so lovey-dovey with their hamwatan to leave their present employer, educational institution etc, and start a new beginning with us.

From what I have noticed Afghans feel as though the love is not being reciprocated, this isn't a one way street LZ Jaan, you cant have Afghans yelling, "we want a Loy Afghanistan" when a Pashtun from Pakistan nearly made Afghanistan its proxy and 5th province. Similarly, Afghans have lost hope for a Loy Afghanistan after they experienced how Peshawaris called them Muhajirs. To those Afghans who have lost hope just because "Peshawaris" called you Muhajirs, I have a message for you as well. Just because a few illiterate Pashtuns whom are brainwashed called you "Muhajirs" doesn't mean all Pashtuns of Pakistan are bad. I have had great experiences with my brothers across the durrand and not a single day have I felt like I was in foreign territory. Good and bad exist in all societies.

Now have in mind Zalmaye Jaan, the above is strictly based on my experiences and its not necessarily how I feel on this matter. If you want to know how I admin Khan feel, I will be very clear. I see no difference between you and a Pashtun from Jalalabad or let's say Kandahar. I see no difference between Shadow Caster and Abdul Haq. Both are Pashtuns and both are my beloved brothers. I think we Pashtuns share too many similiarities to simply ignore our existence. I think we must unify under any circumstances. We can't be "push overs". We need to eradicate this image of us being war-mongering demons. We need to hold more Jirgas that involve Lar and Bar. We need to get more involved in Science and Technology. Wait, how does an annual Pashto conference sound to you? Wasn't there one recently for Persians? I strongly feel like we should sit together and realize a few things.

1)We are the same people.
2)We speak the same language, we are inseperable.
3)We share the same ancestry to some extent.
4)We have the same tribes on each sides of the evil-line.

How do you think Millatpal Noorzai feels everyday knowing that half of his tribe is in modern day Pakistan while the other half is in scattered areas of Afghanistan.

Well, Levanaye Zalmaye let's be very clear on this. Let me drink a cup of water first so you can hear me properly ----I am back. The minute we Pashtuns of lar and bar set a goal i.e we must unify under any circumstances no Punjabi or tajik can stop us. However, alternatively keep in mind we will not tolerate Pakistan or any western nations telling us that Afghanistan must be "partitioned".That is just something no Afghan will tolerate. We don't want to meet the same fate as East and West Germany. If Pashtuns of Pakistan don't want to unify with us and they whole-heartedly reject us on our call for unity -- then I guess we have no problem with sitting down with minorities of Afghanistan and discussing peace projects to promote Afghan unity amongst our ethnic groups.

In conclusion,
Stay positive.

Staso wror,

-Admin Khan




Dear Nick,
I appreciate your response. I will review your post right now. Thanks!

I am so going to copy your post to show to others. this is exactly how i feel at times!!!