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  • #16
    Originally posted by kunatawar View Post
    i was also a bit suspicious about this verse. in khushals time there was no distinction between afghan and pashtun, in fact based off literary work it seems like we used afghan almost exclusively so then why would khushal khattak need to make that statement? in his time surrounding groups probably never even heard of the word pashtun, only afghan so why would he need to make such a bold statement? to me this seems like a more modern nationalism after the durand line was formed being pushed as history.

    and does anyone know if the word pashtun was even used during speech back 300 years ago? like i mentioned above everything ive read only uses afghan so im a little confused whether that was only for writing or if people exclusively used it while talking too
    Pashtun/Pakhtun/Pukhtun/Pushtun/etc.. is an endonym, i.e. thats what we call ourselves.
    While on the other hand Pathan(for Hindustan) and Afghan(for rest of the world) are exonyms, i.e. what others call us.

    E.g. If you meet a Finnish person(who only knows Finnish) and 'Finnish/Finland'(while pointing your finger towards him/her), they will be super confused of what you just said!
    P.S. Finnish is exonym while Suomi I think is endonym.
    Last edited by salman47; 03-06-2018, 08:43 AM.

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    • #17
      I don'tknow what exactly you refer to, but in older times, Romans in form of Rumi, was used for greeks and even for turks from west Anatolia and for greeks generally. Till now we call the Turkish speaking Greeks of South Georgia Urum

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post


        Meaning this stanza is a forgery. It makes sense too since Romans as far as we know never encountered Pashtuns in warfare of any sort. The person who forged it should have known this and done a better job.
        Well I wouldn't be so prompted to outrightly declare it as a forgery. Let's recall that "Rum" was often a term that was synonymous with Europe. Europeans did certainly travel and venture to the areas of Afghanistan, albeit in smaller numbers. I don't believe they ever had direct combat with Afghans until the 18th century, however legendary tales do spread far and fast through trade routes of Central Asia.

        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
        don’t try to be smart.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by salman47 View Post
          Pashtun/Pakhtun/Pukhtun/Pushtun/etc.. is an endonym, i.e. thats what we call ourselves.
          While on the other hand Pathan(for Hindustan) and Afghan(for rest of the world) are exonyms, i.e. what others call us.

          E.g. If you meet a Finnish person(who only knows Finnish) and 'Finnish/Finland'(while pointing your finger towards him/her), they will be super confused of what you just said!
          P.S. Finnish is exonym while Suomi I think is endonym.
          Yep, Same with Albanians, that's an exonym, but in their own language Albanians call themselves Shqiptare.

          Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


          Originally posted by ذو الفقار
          don’t try to be smart.

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          • #20
            A good example would be Germany aka Deutschland, in French as Allemagne, in Italian(and also Ancient Rome) as Germania and they call its people Tedeschi and in Polish as Niemcy.

            People that live in the middle of a region usually have many names.

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            • #21
              Khushal Khattak was a learned man so him mentioning Rum would not be far fetched even though the average Pashtun probably did not know what a Roman was.

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