Kabul in the mid 90's

[Elias]

Came across an interesting footage of fights between "Mujahideen" and Taliban.
The title says 1990 but I think it's mid 90's because Taliban reached Kabul in 1995.

Afghatnistan 1990 war part 1جنگ داخلی سال 1990 علیه مردم غرب کابل - YouTube

Afghatnistan 1990 war part 2جنگ داخلی سال 1990 علیه مردم غرب کابل - YouTube

Afghatnistan 1990 war part 3جنگ داخلی سال 1990 علیه مردم غرب کابل - YouTube

[maneatinglizard]

A lot of them were speaking Farsi, much more than you see in most Taliban recordings. Even now that more non-Pashtuns are joining the Taliban, most of their videos have Pashto dialogue. Though I guess that could be explained by the fact that not every group of Taliban is recording their operations (I think the Haqqanis are producing the majority of their video footage).

The civil war between the Mujahideen didn't even start until 1992 right? So the date is definitely wrong (or they just meant it was in the '90s). I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all (probably shouldn't at work lol), but I did notice one Talib telling the cameraman that they made no difference between Pashtun or Tajik, and that they were all Muslim.

I wonder who was recording. The cameraman was asked if he was a foreigner, so I'm guessing he didn't look Afghan.

[Elias]

A lot of them were speaking Farsi, much more than you see in most Taliban recordings. Even now that more non-Pashtuns are joining the Taliban, most of their videos have Pashto dialogue. Though I guess that could be explained by the fact that not every group of Taliban is recording their operations (I think the Haqqanis are producing the majority of their video footage).

The civil war between the Mujahideen didn't even start until 1992 right? So the date is definitely wrong (or they just meant it was in the '90s). I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all (probably shouldn't at work lol), but I did notice one Talib telling the cameraman that they made no difference between Pashtun or Tajik, and that they were all Muslim.

I wonder who was recording. The cameraman was asked if he was a foreigner, so I'm guessing he didn't look Afghan.

The ones speaking Dari are from Jamiat Islami (Massouds party).
Yes there a lot of non Pashtun Taliban. You can even find even some sunni hazara among them.

It isn’t the civil war between mujahideen factions in 1992 but Mujahideen vs Taliban in 1995.

Yeah, the Taliban in this video seem to be more civilized than massouds soldiers.

[maneatinglizard]

It isn’t the civil war between mujahideen factions in 1992 but Mujahideen vs Taliban in 1995.

I know, just pointing out that the 1990 date had to be wrong no matter which war it was.

I have a feeling Kabul is gonna look like this again in a few years

[Elite Pakhtun]

It's a lot of Farsi but still very interesting to see raw footage.

[Firdousi]

A lot of them were speaking Farsi, much more than you see in most Taliban recordings. Even now that more non-Pashtuns are joining the Taliban, most of their videos have Pashto dialogue. Though I guess that could be explained by the fact that not every group of Taliban is recording their operations (I think the Haqqanis are producing the majority of their video footage).

The civil war between the Mujahideen didn't even start until 1992 right? So the date is definitely wrong (or they just meant it was in the '90s). I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all (probably shouldn't at work lol), but I did notice one Talib telling the cameraman that they made no difference between Pashtun or Tajik, and that they were all Muslim.

I wonder who was recording. The cameraman was asked if he was a foreigner, so I'm guessing he didn't look Afghan.

I guess its because the first video were mostly Jamiati troops while the second one were Taliban along some local allies. Not sure about the third video because although they are speaking Farsi and they "look like Tajiks" they might be Talibs.

Civil war started in 1989 when Russkies left. Communist regime collapsed in 1992 so the war morphed from Mujahedeen vs Government into Mujahideen vs Mujahideen. I was in Kabul when Taliban took over in 1996.

I don't know why so many people believe Massoud was a Tajik warlord and working only for Tajik interests. Many of his closest allies were people like Abdul Haq, Laghmani and Mullah Nagueeb.

Nowadays non Pashtuns in the Taliban are very few. Taliban are a Pashtun rural movement so very few Tajiks would join them. In Herat, the two most important Taliban commandants were Tajiks though: Yahyah Akbari (killed few years ago) and Soleiman Amiri (still alive but left Taliban ranks and rejoined Jamiat). Still most of the Taliban presence is confined to Pashtun places such as Adraskan, Shindand, Pashtun Zarghoon or Torghowondi.

[Elias]

I guess its because the first video were mostly Jamiati troops while the second one were Taliban along some local allies. Not sure about the third video because although they are speaking Farsi and they "look like Tajiks" they might be Talibs.

Civil war started in 1989 when Russkies left. Communist regime collapsed in 1992 so the war morphed from Mujahedeen vs Government into Mujahideen vs Mujahideen. I was in Kabul when Taliban took over in 1996.

I don't know why so many people believe Massoud was a Tajik warlord and working only for Tajik interests. Many of his closest allies were people like Abdul Haq, Laghmani and Mullah Nagueeb.

Nowadays non Pashtuns in the Taliban are very few. Taliban are a Pashtun rural movement so very few Tajiks would join them. In Herat, the two most important Taliban commandants were Tajiks though: Yahyah Akbari (killed few years ago) and Soleiman Amiri (still alive but left Taliban ranks and rejoined Jamiat). Still most of the Taliban presence is confined to Pashtun places such as Adraskan, Shindand, Pashtun Zarghoon or Torghowondi.

Massoud was a foreigners kaneez like gulbudin, mazari and dostum. Nothing was glorious/special about him. He did the same **** that gulbudin/mazari/dostum did. Taleb ra bad goft wakhte ke da panjsher qayt mand wa chard u baghalesha taleb gereft. Chi medanom ke jak nafare roshan feker buda basha. Wakht u zaman ra dida wa ba nafkhe khod mosh wari lul mekhord.

[Firdousi]

Massoud was a foreigners kaneez like gulbudin, mazari and dostum. Nothing was glorious/special about him. He did the same **** that gulbudin/mazari/dostum did. Taleb ra bad goft wakhte ke da panjsher qayt mand wa chard u baghalesha taleb gereft. Chi medanom ke jak nafare roshan feker buda basha. Wakht u zaman ra dida wa ba nafkhe khod mosh wari lul mekhord.

Dorood Eliyas Khan:

Listen brother: in this life we have "bad" ("bad"), "badtar" ("worse") and "badterin" ("worst"). And we have also "khoob" ("good"), "khoobtar" ("better") wa "khoobterin" ("best"). Saying that "all were the same" sounds too simple to me.

For some reason you didn't include DR Najeeb in that list so I guess there is a political bias behind your comment.

[Ibrahim ShahiZai]

Massoud was a foreigners kaneez like gulbudin, mazari and dostum. Nothing was glorious/special about him. He did the same **** that gulbudin/mazari/dostum did. Taleb ra bad goft wakhte ke da panjsher qayt mand wa chard u baghalesha taleb gereft. Chi medanom ke jak nafare roshan feker buda basha. Wakht u zaman ra dida wa ba nafkhe khod mosh wari lul mekhord.

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[Elias]

Dorood Eliyas Khan:

Listen brother: in this life we have "bad" ("bad"), "badtar" ("worse") and "badterin" ("worst"). And we have also "khoob" ("good"), "khoobtar" ("better") wa "khoobterin" ("best"). Saying that "all were the same" sounds too simple to me.

For some reason you didn't include DR Najeeb in that list so I guess there is a political bias behind your comment.

I thought we were talking just about mujahideen.

Dr. Najeeb was qaumparast. For example he would have made it out of Afghanistan like his brother but he didn’t accept Massouds suggestion instead he relied on Taliban.

Bachesh I’m not a communist ^^

[Firdousi]

I thought we were talking just about mujahideen.

Dr. Najeeb was qaumparast. For example he would have made it out of Afghanistan like his brother but he didn’t accept Massouds suggestion instead he relied on Taliban.

Bachesh I’m not a communist ^^

Haha, ok, man. Most of Najeeb´s supporters arent communists anyway, dadashi. I find hilarious how Afghans calle him "shaheed".. a Shaheed communist! lol

I dont really care about them. They are all dead. Lets move on. What is done is done and cant be changed.

[Nekrofrost]

a Shaheed communist! lol

The fact that mother****ers still use the word communist as a substitute for atheist is ****ing retarded.

[ذو الفقار]

The fact that mother****ers still use the word communist as a substitute for atheist is ****ing retarded.

Communism can only appeal to people who have an altogether atheistic and non-religious worldview. Communism springs from a materialist philosophy.

Public ownership of property and means of production is anathema to our Abrahamic religious tradition. It is simply an extension of peasant collectivism. Our religious tradition, however, values individuality and uniqueness, the greatest example of that is the institution of Prophecy, an office that is completely unregulated by any manmade institution and answerable to no one except God. Now that must be the worst nightmare for any commie theorist.

[maneatinglizard]

The fact that mother****ers still use the word communist as a substitute for atheist is ****ing retarded.

Afghan communism was definitely atheistic. Maybe not every member of the various communist parties was an atheist (though I’ve heard claims that they made you commit kufr before you could join), but the overall movement was anti-Islam and religion in general.

As for Najeeb, there’s some weird cult of personality that surrounds him among Afghan nationalists for some reason. I don’t really know why, considering he didn’t achieve anything and did commit atrocities, but that’s the reason he’s called Shaheed by a lot of Afghans.

[Nekrofrost]

Communism can only appeal to people who have an altogether atheistic and non-religious worldview. Communism springs from a materialist philosophy.

Public ownership of property and means of production is anathema to our Abrahamic religious tradition. It is simply an extension of peasant collectivism. Our religious tradition, however, values individuality and uniqueness, the greatest example of that is the institution of Prophecy, an office that is completely unregulated by any manmade institution and answerable to no one except God. Now that must be the worst nightmare for any commie theorist.

How does it feel to be a living breathing meme?