Help me find my family tree please!

[noman]

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[Elite Pakhtun]

Pakher,

To the best of my knowledge, Chauhan is a gujrati lineage ie gujrat, India. I know this because there was somebody I knew that was a chauhan, and was from gujrat, india. Literally their last name is Chauhan.

I'm not sure this site will be useful for this. Most people here are either trolls or don't know much about this specific lineage. Maybe try one of those anthro or dna forums?

Also, feel free to upload anything in any language. There is no English only restriction.

[noman]

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[Saleh]

I always wanted to know why do people want to find their family history?

It's seems an impossible task anyway when you think about it. How far do you wanna go back?

You could be related to some guy selling biryani the street corner without even knowing it, if you go back enough in time.

[Baserka]

I always wanted to know why do people want to find their family history?

It's seems an impossible task anyway when you think about it. How far do you wanna go back?

You could be related to some guy selling biryani the street corner without even knowing it, if you go back enough in time.

and that is the worst thing that could possibly happen to one?? Being related to someone who sells beryani??

The amount of research that the original poster has done is impressive. This type of research is nearly impossible in our regions because we don't have anyone documenting stuff consistently. Broaden your subject and see if someone would sponsor your research or turn it in to a documentary. Heck, if you have the patience, interest and resources, you could establish a system that would help everyone else trace their own family tree. �� ��

Now back to biryani...Biryani is delicious and I wish I was related to someone who could make a decent version of it.

[Saleh]

and that is the worst thing that could possibly happen to one?? Being related to someone who sells beryani??

The amount of research that the original poster has done is impressive. This type of research is nearly impossible in our regions because we don't have anyone documenting stuff consistently. Broaden your subject and see if someone would sponsor your research or turn it in to a documentary. Heck, if you have the patience, interest and resources, you could establish a system that would help everyone else trace their own family tree. �� ��

Now back to biryani...Biryani is delicious and I wish I was related to someone who could make a decent version of it.

you misread what I meant. I meant he can be related to just any random person down the street if he goes back enough in time.

eeven me and you could be related if we trace our family history long enough. ancient tribes started very small.

[Baserka]

Just because something is not of any interest to you, it does not mean that it should not interest others or concern them either. Curiosity about one's own heritage is not something that should be discouraged. That's like saying don't read fiction because it's not real.
And the subject here is not even of interest. People have lost connection with their roots and not to any fault of their own. If they want to search things up, they are going to need references and resources that are currently not available out there. Thanks to this guy or someone else curious like him, that might be easily available in near future.

[Elite Pakhtun]

I don't know about others, but many families retain family trees. I know it's there on my father's side... I believe there may be something on my mother's side as well.

Noman may be a Kashmiri if enough intermingling transpired down the line. I think it's important to know your origins. It may be less relevant in the 21st century of technology, but is still relevant and provides data a dna test will not.

[Friends of Baloch]

Pakher,

Background: I am from Rawalakot, Azad Kashmir. Both of my parents are Kashmiri. My great grandfather had migrated from Jammu region to Azad. We consider ourselves Chauhan. My Grandfather, Greatgrand father, and forefathers have been using "Khan" in their family names.

In 2010, I came across a family tree, given to me by one of my uncles. He told us that we are Arab descendants. That family tree was lining back to Hazrat Abbas ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA). It had a famous name on 10th generation from Hazrat Ali (RA): Hazrat Aon Qutb Shah (RA). After his (RA) son: Muammad Ali Chauhan, all of them had "Khan" as their surname. There were 33 generations from Manat Khan son of Muhammad Ali Chauhan till my Grandfather.

I started looking for the authenticity of that family tree. What I found was Hazrat Aon Qutb Shah (RA) had 4 wives. One of them was Khadija, who was the daughter of Hindu Raja Kuldan. From Khadija, Qutb Shah (RA) had 4 children: Najaf Ali Yahya, Fateh Ali Kuldan, Muhammad Ali Chauhan, and daughter: Fatima.

Those 3 son's name: Najaf Ali Yahya, Fateh Ali Kuldan, and Muhammad Ali Chauhan were in my family tree. I was so happy to find out the names. I put my whole family tree online. I found another person from UK, who said that I am from Muahmmad Ali Chauhan too. I found 2 reference books confirming my family tree. There was no gap of doubts on it.

Later on I came to the US, had my DNA ancestry test. That test flipped my world. The test showed 0% Arab ancestry in my DNA. I didn't believe it first, then I asked myself, how come a DNA test tell a lie to me. I started looking for my family tree again. This time, I started online; I didn't ask any of my relatives to help me. All I knew is, once I saw "گوجر" written on some documents, which the village accountant "Patwari" had. On that document, my grand father and great grandfather name was mentioned, along with "khan" at the end of their names. Ethnicity was Gojar.

I came across from references, which claimed that Chauhan is the Gujjar clan. I don't know whether it's the same Rajput clan of Southern India, or this "Chauhan" from Gujjar is entirely different.

The above reference was found in the book: Tareek e Gojran (History of Gujjars) by Molvi Abdul Haq Sialkoti. This book also claimed that Chauhans are the descendants of Ren Si son of Prithviraj Chauhan, who was the descendant of Kanishka (Kushan Ruler), descendant of Kujula Kadphises (famous Kushan King), descendant of Prince Alexandros Gurji son of Alexander The Great.
On the other page, Alexander The Great family tree was given. His tree went all the way back to Hercules descendant of *Esau (Edomite) son of Issac (PBUH), son of Ibrahim (PBUH), descendant of Saam son of Nuh (PBUH), descendant of Shees son of Adam (PBUH).
* This reference was made by Al-Biruni in his book: The Chronology of Ancient Nations.

Now, the issues I have with Alexander's theory is that:

1. Not even a single European historian wrote that Alexander had any grandchild. He had just 2 sons, and both of them died at very young age.
2. Edomites are from Ancient Israel, while Alexander The Great was from Europe. He should be the descendant of Yafez , brother of Saam.
3. I never heard anyone saying Gujjar anyone in our family.

Please, help me find my family tree. I have already talked to several people. All of the claims and links are just too mixed to believe. Any clues could be beneficial.

References:
All of the references are in Urdu. I don't know whether sharing content other than English language is allowed in this sub-forum.

You have solved your own query and your story is very typical of Muslims of Punjab and Kashmir. Most of them are converted from Jats, Gujjars and other Hindu peoples, but because of fabrications and forgeries, and also invented myths about ancestral origins, it is very typical that when Jats, Gujjars and others had converted to Islam, a fabricated ancestry was somewhere down the line invented to try and link them to the ruling classes (always foreign Muslims) or to some foreign Pir or Sufi, "Sayyid" or general migrant to the Indian subcontinent. This is because most South Asian Muslims have been converted from the "lower castes", that is partly why they took on the name "Khan" as a means of trying to assuage the indignity of the Hindu caste system.

Chauhan is a name or title that exists in many parts of the Indian subcontinent. In Pujab usually by Jats, Gujjars and Rajputs. It is Hindu in origin but many Muslims have kept the name. Probably its deep origin is in Rajasthan but obviously from there it had spread to other places.

By the way, all that stuff about Alexander the Great and 'Hercules' is all nonsense and fairy tales.

You probably wont be able to trace your actual family tree that far back if you dont have any written records, but you've done your DNA test so that will at least tell you your regional origin which clearly is South Asian. It wont be able to tell you if you are a "Gujjar" or not because that isnt a race. It is just a type of Indo-Aryan, so Gujjars, Jats, Rajputs, Chamars, Lohars etc and all those other types of 'Hindustanis' will broadly have the same DNA sequences and so, unable to be told apart from their DNA.

[noman]

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