Gandharis were Pactyans?

[Karachi]

History is history fool. There are no natives anywhere. Everyone came from somewhere else. Indics are mix of Australoids who originally came from Africa. South Asians are an African race mixed with light skinned race that invaded South ASia. this is why South Asians are dark and have Australoid features.

What region belong to who is pointless to discuss now. Because no one can claim any land now lol.

also there are no proof Ghandarans were a South Asian brown Indian race. They were probably similar to Afghans in terms of race.

Ghandarans were buddhists and hindus, are you telling me pashtuns were buddhists and hindus? no way in hell, pashtun culture is very different from natives of the land. Ghandarans were similar to Hindkos and Kashmiries most likely

[Traveller]

Ghandarans were buddhists and hindus, are you telling me pashtuns were buddhists and hindus? no way in hell, pashtun culture is very different from natives of the land. Ghandarans were similar to Hindkos and Kashmiries most likely

I do think Pashtuns were probably Buddhists. Don't think they were Hindus though.

[Saleh]

Don't join two different sentences stupid there is thing called". Dot" which is used to separate sentences.

Time of land grabbing/claiming has passed. Thats all I was trying to say. Gandharans, etc. had nothing to do with modern state of India, when IT was located in some Northwest Pakistani Region populated by people who were probably like Hunzas, Kashmirs, etc.

Now don't get butthurt over me posting crowd picture of Indians (actually they are Paki Punjabi). Thats how Indians do Look, nothing wrong with IT, unless you yourself think so. (Which seems to be the case since you got butthurt and started posting pics of afghans to "counter attack" lol)

[Traveller]

Half knowledge is very dangerous.The Buddhism came to Gandhara only after mauryan emperor ashoka converted to Buddhism.So, what was the religion of Gandharis before ashoka's conquest ? Its Hinduism the religion followed by ashoka's predecessor like pāṇini,aterya,charaka,chanakya(godfather of mauryan king) and Pingala.

That might be true but that was in the deep past and there aren't many traces of Hinduism in modern KPK. But I don't care about what religion we Pashtuns were in the past as now we are proud Muslims.

[Saleh]

Don't join two different sentences stupid there is thing called". Dot" which is used to separate sentences.Do you need Donation for education of all you poor afghans.Your master is ready.Dont know what dot is meant for.hahaha

Copying your White master now, Apu?

I Dont wanna post pics of poor Indian people, but guaranteed majority of Indians live in harsher conditions than poor Afghanis.

Do I need to post pics of what India looks like (a trash can/dumping yard, people ****ting everywhere, bathing in sewer water, etc.)?

Your only ecconomic advantage is having 1 billion population, like China. Thats all. Lol

[Traveller]

You are proud Muslim now but you were not proud Gandhari back then .The first afghan settlements can be traced back to 11th century AD when Dilazak tribe of Afghans from Karlanri division migrated from astern Afghanistan and settled in the plain of Peshawar by crossing Khyber.As I said earlier the pashtun begin settling in Peshawar valley only after its conquest by Mahmud ghazni.Its hard to digest that you guys are not native to Peshawar valley

When did I say that Pashtuns are native to the Peshawar Valley?

[Saleh]

I don't claim any of your lands now am just fighting for my fellow indic hindkowan's history And I will make sure the history of Gandharis/hindkowans/Punjabis are not theft like the way there lands were theft.As you see ur fellow afghans are now claiming the history of occupied lands .Am fighting for history and cultural rights of ancient Gandharis(hindkowans/Punjabis)

What is this BS. Lol. There is no proof of anything you say.

Gandharans were a hell of a Lot time ago.

This is what their statues Look like:







Looking at these, no wonder Eur,ocentrists want to claim them. Lol

They were probably like Hunza people and some Kashmir populations, the population closest to the ancient region.

Hunza people:




Buddism was practised as far as ancient Bactria and Sogdia. Buddism is no proof of "Indianness". Just like Islam is no proof of people being Arab race.

Bactrians:

[Saleh]

Accepting your mistake does not make you weaker but makes you strong.Get well soon.Your fellow afghans have already accepted what I meant and don't need to debate with naive debater.Be mature and accept Gandharis were hindkowan/Punjabis.Again I warn you don't steal someone's history since you occupy their land it's like Britishers claiming indian history.Bye Bye

Don't have better argument. Nice folding.

[Samandri]

and respect your master

How can any one be in awe of a race like this

[Charsi Malang]

You seem to be butthurted when you came to know how ugly ur fellow afghans looks like.hahaha
By the way,who said this"You don't Find Indian looking people anywhere near Central Asian mountain regions".Now I think you got the answer .
Gandharis are hindkowans/Punjabi/indic and respect your master

Hahaha. You seriously think Indians are better looking than Afghans? Here we go again.... come on man- do something more constructive with your time. You Indians are probably the ugliest race in existence. LOL.

You want to talk about masters? Mahmud e Ghaznavi, Nadir Shah, all the Mughal Emperors, Ahmad Shah baba..... the list goes on and on. The souls of your ancestors must tremble when they come across these names. LOL. You really want to talk about masters? Slavery has been hardwired into your DNA Apu.

Pathetic race of people. You have no redeeming qualities. No respect on any social scale. Doesn't matter about your economy you are internationally recognised as a subservient race and laughed at.

[Charsi Malang]

I don't claim any of your lands now am just fighting for my fellow indic hindkowan's history And I will make sure the history of Gandharis/hindkowans/Punjabis are not theft like the way there lands were theft.As you see ur fellow afghans are now claiming the history of occupied lands .Am fighting for history and cultural rights of ancient Gandharis(hindkowans/Punjabis)

I suggest you learn English properly first. I can literally hear your nasty bud bud ding ding accent ring in my ears even as I read your posts.

[maneatinglizard]

You know, this forum would be a lot better if every single thread didn't devolve into "Indics are the best/Indics are the worst" slapfights. This forum isn't even about Indians, and yet it's full of Indians fighting with Pakistanis, and Pashtuns fighting with both.

On topic, there's no hard evidence that Sh dialect is older than the Kh one, and even if it were, there's zero evidence that both dialects didn't already exist at the time of Herodotus. So it is completely conceivable that the Pactyans were Pashtuns, or proto-Pashtuns, given the similar names and geographical location.

As for the Gandaharans, they definitely spoke an Indic language and were culturally Indic, thus they were likely Indic. But it should be noted that they existed a long time ago, and the Iranians and Indo-Aryans weren't as different then as they are now.

Also, following an Indic religion doesn't imply racial Indic-ness. Buddhism is followed by many non-Indics after all. But, the pre-Islamic Pashtuns were most likely either Zoroastrians, or sone form of pre-Zoroastrian Iranian pagans that were influenced by Zoroastrianism. This is pretty clear from the remnants of Zoroastrianism influence within our language, and the total lack of any Buddhist or Hindu influences.

[Elite Pakhtun]

It's pre-Islamic, so the writing very well could've been some Indic script. Doesn't imply anything about ethnicity. Surprising nobody spotted this super basic thing right there.

There's probably Gandharan and Hepthalite admixture in Pashtuns of that region.

Why does this website trumpet the idea that Mahmud of Ghazni changed the demographics or something. Anyone care to cite? I know he converted the people, and caused a fair bit of destruction... but that is far from the demographic change some here claim. As if the population was wiped out and replaced... doesn't seem like this claim is backed up anywhere.

Reference to Pactyans is definitely valid, as we know the northern dialect is original, and Pactyans was just the most likely translation of "Pakhtuans" given the limited written and archeological records.

[Traveller]

You know, this forum would be a lot better if every single thread didn't devolve into "Indics are the best/Indics are the worst" slapfights. This forum isn't even about Indians, and yet it's full of Indians fighting with Pakistanis, and Pashtuns fighting with both.

On topic, there's no hard evidence that Sh dialect is older than the Kh one, and even if it were, there's zero evidence that both dialects didn't already exist at the time of Herodotus. So it is completely conceivable that the Pactyans were Pashtuns, or proto-Pashtuns, given the similar names and geographical location.

As for the Gandaharans, they definitely spoke an Indic language and were culturally Indic, thus they were likely Indic. But it should be noted that they existed a long time ago, and the Iranians and Indo-Aryans weren't as different then as they are now.

Also, following an Indic religion doesn't imply racial Indic-ness. Buddhism is followed by many non-Indics after all. But, the pre-Islamic Pashtuns were most likely either Zoroastrians, or sone form of pre-Zoroastrian Iranian pagans that were influenced by Zoroastrianism. This is pretty clear from the remnants of Zoroastrianism influence within our language, and the total lack of any Buddhist or Hindu influences.

What do you mean by Zoroastrian influences?

[salman47]

What do you mean by Zoroastrian influences?

E.g. 'هور'/'or/hor' - it means 'fire', and possibly it came from(or is related to) 'Ahura Mazda'(referred to as Sun in many Irani Languages)
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