Nursitani and Kalasha Thread

[Afghanfootball]

I thought it would be a good idea to dedicate a thread to these people of Afghanistan and around the hindu kush.

I guess the best subject to start with is are they greek. I know this theory is generally rejected however im leaning towards this theory being true. Just based on the facts that my grandfather has told me that hes heard that Nuristani's had special seats which resembled the greeks. Here is some info I found on the Nuristani chair:

"A stone cooking hearth is at the center of the family's upper room with a hole in the ceiling above to release smoke and admit daylight. Nuristani furniture is distinctive as some of it is handsomely carved and may feature chair backs painted in various colors. Chairs and stools with leather strip seats, together with a wide, short-legged table sit near the hearth, beds are further away while wooden wall racks hold carved wooden, stone or metal utensils. An unusual feature is an area on the ground floor set apart in a corner for bathing and washing clothes. Goat wool rugs, even a carpet may cover the floors. Night lighting is provided by stone, copper or clay lanterns and/or torches."

Chasing Tales: Travel Writing, Journalism and the History of British Ideas ... - Corinne Fowler - Google Books

[Forreigner]

I have noted that Nuristani people are stereotyped as being light featured, kinda resembling North European people, but Nuristanis can't be Greek of descent, because the Greek themselves are and were in ancient times a very dark featured people, as the Greek historian Herodutus described.

This is what the avarage Greek looks like modern and also ancient times:

Greek footballer Kostas Manolas:



this is what Greeks are portrayed as in movies by using British/AngloSaxon (North European actors):



People with light features are found even in South India, and there is no record of any Greek army or people wandering to the southern parts of the Indian subcontinent:



Here is a Sri Lankan albino:



Albino people from this region can look very European like:

Afghan albino:



albino people from Pakistan:



more Indian albinos:







[img]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/207/535559954_3965ce90fe_z.jpg?zz=1



The Kalash people are said to be an indegenious people to the Northwest Indian/pak region. Apparenty genetic tests on them has showen they cluster mostly to Indians.

[Karachi]

^ who says they cluster with Indians most????

They cluster with Pashtuns most in fact, followed by other neighbors. Kalash/Nuristani are clearly some really ancient Indo Aryan group because their languages are among the oldest indo aryan languages, in fact ancient Vedic Sanskrit might be closely related to them

[Afghanfootball]

I have noted that Nuristani people are stereotyped as being light featured, kinda resembling North European people, but Nuristanis can't be Greek of descent, because the Greek themselves are and were in ancient times a very dark featured people, as the Greek historian Herodutus described.

This is what the avarage Greek looks like modern and also ancient times:

Greek footballer Kostas Manolas:



this is what Greeks are portrayed as in movies by using British/AngloSaxon (North European actors):



People with light features are found even in South India, and there is no record of any Greek army or people wandering to the southern parts of the Indian subcontinent:



Here is a Sri Lankan albino:



Albino people from this region can look very European like:

Afghan albino:



albino people from Pakistan:



more Indian albinos:







[img]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/207/535559954_3965ce90fe_z.jpg?zz=1



The Kalash people are said to be an indegenious people to the Northwest Indian/pak region. Apparenty genetic tests on them has showen they cluster mostly to Indians.

How do we explain cultural similarities with greeks? Also Manolas is fag and his team is ****.

[Golden]

I have noted that Nuristani people are stereotyped as being light featured, kinda resembling North European people, but Nuristanis can't be Greek of descent, because the Greek themselves are and were in ancient times a very dark featured people, as the Greek historian Herodutus described.

This is what the avarage Greek looks like modern and also ancient times:

Greek footballer Kostas Manolas:



this is what Greeks are portrayed as in movies by using British/AngloSaxon (North European actors):



People with light features are found even in South India, and there is no record of any Greek army or people wandering to the southern parts of the Indian subcontinent:



Here is a Sri Lankan albino:



Albino people from this region can look very European like:

Afghan albino:



albino people from Pakistan:



more Indian albinos:







[img]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/207/535559954_3965ce90fe_z.jpg?zz=1



The Kalash people are said to be an indegenious people to the Northwest Indian/pak region. Apparenty genetic tests on them has showen they cluster mostly to Indians.

Greeks are white while many Nuristanis will look stright out south Indian.

[Forreigner]

These peoples are said to be indegenius to the region, and pre-date Alexander and his conquest of Persian empire, aside the fact that Alexander and the Greeks were a southeast european people (dark features) as opposed to North European (light features). Their claims of Greek descent is as futile as Pashtun claims of Jewish lost tribe ancestry.

[Golden]

These peoples are said to be indegenius to the region, and pre-date Alexander and his conquest of Persian empire, aside the fact that Alexander and the Greeks were a southeast european people (dark features) as opposed to North European (light features). Their claims of Greek descent is as futile as Pashtun claims of Jewish lost tribe ancestry.

Dark and light is quite relative, I was comparing Greeks with Nuristanis who are quite dark compared to Greeks. Alexander soldiers input cannot to be ruled out.

[Forreigner]

Dark and light is quite relative, I was comparing Greeks with Nuristanis who are quite dark compared to Greeks. Alexander soldiers input cannot to be ruled out.

yes it's relative, but compared to North Europeans like Swedish, British, etc. the Greeks are phenotypically closer to Middle Eastern peoples than they are to North Europeans. That's what I meant.

of course not, but such thing would be minimal at best/worst scenario. US occupation of Afghanistan hasn't made half the country half American now has it?
or British's 400 years rule of India didn't make Indians half British or any significant amount. wars and conquests doesn't necessarily change a populations DNA in any significant amount.

and since you say Nuristanis are daker than Greeks, then shouldn't Greek input have made them lighter? don't understand your logic.

[Golden]

yes it's relative, but compared to North Europeans like Swedish, British, etc. the Greeks are phenotypically closer to Middle Eastern peoples than they are to North Europeans. That's what I meant.

of course not, but such thing would be minimal at best/worst scenario. US occupation of Afghanistan hasn't made half the country half American now has it?
or British's 400 years rule of India didn't make Indians half British or any significant amount. wars and conquests doesn't necessarily change a populations DNA in any significant amount.

and since you say Nuristanis are daker than Greeks, then shouldn't Greek input have made them lighter? don't understand your logic.

Bhaiya jee mein app ko kuch aur samjhata hoon aur app ulta samjhte hai. If not for Greeks then Nuristanis would be even more dark. See Russian input have made pathans of Afghanistan lighter then Pakistani ones. Greeks are still more closer to northen euros then middle easterns who have african negro input unlike Greeks.

[Afghanfootball]

Bhaiya jee mein app ko kuch aur samjhata hoon aur app ulta samjhte hai. If not for Greeks then Nuristanis would be even more dark. See Russian input have made pathans of Afghanistan lighter then Pakistani ones. Greeks are still more closer to northen euros then middle easterns who have african negro input unlike Greeks.

of course beghairat admins wont do **** about this post.

[Forreigner]

How do we explain cultural similarities with greeks? Also Manolas is fag and his team is ****.

simple. culture spreads more easily than other things: easists by conquest, or via trading. for example Indonesia is a muslim nation despite no Arab army or messionaires ever setting foot there. how did Islam get there? of course, by trade. same way Arabo-Indian numerals (originally from India) are today used in Europe and all over the western world:

[imazharyes]

Kalash and Nuristanis are closely related genetically. They have nothing with Pushtoons. To say they are Kalash are Indians is like saying Kalash and Nuristanis are Europeans. Some people say that Kalash and Nuristanis are Indians because they have the same Haplogroup which is is also shared by European. According to this logic Indian should be Europeans. We all know how an Indian looks and how a Pushtoon look and how a Nuristani look. Pushtoon have some fair skinned people but on the whole they are light brown and also olive while Indians are all dark brown and black. How come they be the same People.

[HindustanTimes]

Whats the Big deal about Kalash and Nuristanis? .Nuristanis Don't even make 1% of Afghanistan....its bsically an isolated village there...
Kalash Dont have a significant population in number either..