Tajiks, Farsiwan, and Persianized Pashtuns

[Afghanfootball]

Stupid post

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Thoughts?

[Firdousi]

Seems nobody cares about your fairy tails lol

[Sarbani]

I agree mostly, but I wouldn't call those Tajiks from Tajikistan "real Tajiks". Tajik is derived from Tazi which was an Arab word for Iranics, another word they used to refer to Iranics was "Ajam".

Arabs and Turks both used the term Tazi/Tajik to refer to Iranic people in general. Tajikistanis, similar to Afghan-Tajiks, have very little to no Persian blood and are both of an East Iranian background with Tajikistanis having more Turk blood.

[Sarbani]

Also the farsiwan i am talking about are not to be confused with Farsiwan ffrom Herat who I have not even heard of.

What do you mean by this?

[Aryana]

Everyone who speaks Farsi in Afghanistan and is not Hazara nowadays is called Tajik. However this is false in reality there are three different types.

1. Real Tajiks- Real Tajiks are those whos ancestors came across the Oxus during their russian occupation. Real Tajiks are a mix of Sogdians, Persian, and Turks.

2. Farsiwan- These people have the same origins as Pashtuns, have been here just as long, and their just persianized Eastern Aryans.

3. Persianized Pashtuns- Name speaks for itself really. Im guessing their mostly from areas like Kabul and Herat.

These people are only counted as Tajik because the Russians wanted to use cultural similarities of Afghanistan and Tajikistan to their advantage.

To bad us Afghans have been so easy to brainwash.

Sorry, didn't see the post I was kinda busy lol.

Yes, that it very true. Some of the people who speak Farsi are not Tajiks at all. This occurs especially in the north, where some Pashtuns have been gradually losing their Pashto and adopting Farsi. This means that the number of actual Tajiks is much lower than reported statistics. I've met alot of Farsiwan and Persianised Pashtuns.

Also, the Russians probably wanted to create a disunited and weak state. Tajiks are naturally weaker than Pashtuns (look at what happens when Russians invade Tajiks compared to Pashtuns. When they invade Tajiks, they completely conquer them and impose their culture. Now look what happened when they tried to conquer Afghanistan). This then leads to disunity, it is just the "divide and conquer" strategy of the Russians.

Let me just clarify that very few Tajiks actually are Persian, it's kinda like saying that an Aborigine in Australia speaking English has roots in Anglo-Saxon. Sure, some of them do have Anglo-Saxon ancestors but not all. Same thing applies with Tajiks.

[Afghanfootball]

What do you mean by this?

There is suppose to be a group of people called Farsiwan in Herat who are Shia according to wiki. Im guessing they are legit Persians. I have never heard of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsiwan

[Barakzai Supply]

Good thread. I think people from Badakhshan, Kunduz, Northen Afghan are similar to the people of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan culturally and linguistically but people who speak Farsi in the rest of Afghanistan who are not Hazara are not Tajiks but they just speak Persian

[Barakzai Supply]

These people from Badakshan are clearly ethnic Tajiks but they are citizens of Afghanistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7fmrrURx40

[Samandri]

Some snippets about Tajiks from "Afghanistan and its inhabitants", written originally in 1867 by Muhammad Hayat Khan Kathar as 'Hayat-i-Afghani" (The author was Punjabi from attock)

[Samandri]

[Samandri]

[Samandri]

Its patheitic to see that in 1867, the most superior among Tajiks were those who were 'Afghanized' in manners and resembled Afghans due to close connection with Ghilzais

[Afghanfootball]

These people from Badakshan are clearly ethnic Tajiks but they are citizens of Afghanistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7fmrrURx40

hmm I thought Badakhshani were ethnic pamiri but maybe not. Isnt the song by Panjshiris.

[Afghanfootball]

Good thread. I think people from Badakhshan, Kunduz, Northen Afghan are similar to the people of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan culturally and linguistically but people who speak Farsi in the rest of Afghanistan who are not Hazara are not Tajiks but they just speak Persian

Yeah id agree with that.