13th Century Pashtun rulers of Kunar to Swat.

[Afghanfootball]

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[Firdousi]

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[Samandri]

These were the ancient inhabitants of Swat, Bajaur and Kunar before invasion of Yousafzai and allied tribes. Mughal Babur massacred 3000 of them in Bajaur (mentioned in Baburnama), which provided the chance for Tarklanri Afghans to later take possession of Bajaur easily......Swatis, Gebris etc were most probably Dardic people like those Kohistanis of Upper Swat and Kohistan. Some of the subjects of these Swati rulers were "Dehgans" of Hashtnagar (Charsadda), who are said to be Tajiks. In the rest of Peshawar valley (Peshawar, Mardan, Swabi and Nowshera), Dilazak Afghans were settled since 10th century. After Yousafzai conquest of Swat, Swatis fled to Batagram and Manshera. All the Swatis of Batagram district are Pashto speaking, while those in Manshera are bilingual between Pashto and Hindko.

[Samandri]

Tajiks didnt exist back then in Afghanistan stop with the British BS. I read in the Babaurnama he says that Kunar was apart of Kafiristan though. But there could have been Pashtuns on the border areas of Kafiristan considering they were in Laghman.

Read my post with attention, i said they (Swatis) were most probably the Dardic people like those of Upper Swat and Kohistan. Dehgans , one of the subjugates of Swati people, on the other hand could be Tajiks, ancestors of Tajiks or whatever you want to call them (they were plowing fields for their Swati masters, sound quite Tajik to me).......The people of Kunar, Laghaman and Nuristan were Kafirs but subjects of these Swati rulers of Swat. Bajaur was also inhabited by Kafirs but also with one of a section of Swati people (the Gebris) who were ruling class....Babur slayed the Gebri people in Bajaur.

These Swati rulers were ruling an extensive area including Kunar, Laghman, Nuristan, Bajaur, Kashkar, Dir-Swat, Upper Hazara, and Kashmir.

[Samandri]

They could have been either Nuristani(different name obviously), Dardic, or Pashto.

These Swati rulers were Muslims , while Kafirsitanis were fiercely sticking to their religion. In fact, these Swatis introduced Islam into Kashmir in 1340 and established Swati dynasty there.

[Samandri]

I don't think Laghman was inhabited by Kafirs according to Baburnama it was outside of Kafiristan.

So I find it strange to call it a Swati empire when the nucleus of empire was in Kunar. Also would they Swati empire had been Pashtun at the time.

The nucleus was Swat. Abdul Hai Habibi is intentionally not mentioning their name as it indicates their seat of power. God knows on what basis he is declaring Kunar to be their nucleus. Their chieftains were titled "Sultans" instead of "Maliks", so its confusing for some people. Their Sultans (Chieftains) were in Bajaur as well in Kunar, Swat and other areas. But their supreme Sultan was based in Swat valley.

[Samandri]

He must have a book or article that goes more in depht about it (on his website there is a books/article section which is packed). I have decided to invest some more time in learning how to read and write Pashto and Farsi (I can speak both pretty well but my Pashto is better) so hopefully soon I will find more info on the topics. Were the Swati rulers Pashtunized already? I thought Yusefzai were the first Pashtuns to migrate to Gandhara (Peshawar, Swat area).

I wish you all the best, knowledge is power man.

No details about the old language of Swati people are available. Dilazak, the Karlanri Pashtuns, once very numerous, were the first to settle in Peshawar valley , said to be in the Mahmud Ghaznavi period. So Swati people and Dilazak Pashtuns were neighbors for almost 500 years before Yousafzais arrived on the scene. Thus Swati people were neighbors of Pashtuns for centuries before the arrival of yousafzais. Malik Ahmad, the chief of all Yousafzais, gave his sister to Sultan of Swat in marriage (who killed his Yousafzai wife when Yousafzais invaded Swat with intention of conquering it). The question is, between Dilazaks and Yousafzais who pashtunized the Swati people?

[Samandri]

Thanks,

I looked more into the history of Swati tribe and it seems like Swat was never reffered to as Swat but in ancient times as Oddyana. Also I came across a blog which is dedicated to the history of Swatis and here is a theory.

"Still another account relates that when Mahmood Ghaznavi conquered the land, he wanted to settle some of his people to keep control of it, so he settled two tribes, the Swati and Dalazak, in the territory. As the Swati tribe was larger, the area took its name from that group."

http://histroyofswati.blogspot.com/

More research must be conducted

Indeed. Nothing can be said with certain and me calling them Dardic is just wild speculation. Nowadays Swatis strongly call themselves Pashtuns. It might be that they were not that ancient , but arrived with Dilazaks, and lost their Afghan tribal features with time so that they were not recognized as Afghans by Yousafzais in 16th century. I dont know much about Swatis to be honest, my knowledge about them comes from some online articles. I hope some one has published well-researched book or two about them.

[Sarbani]

Read my post with attention, i said they (Swatis) were most probably the Dardic people like those of Upper Swat and Kohistan. Dehgans , one of the subjugates of Swati people, on the other hand could be Tajiks, ancestors of Tajiks or whatever you want to call them (they were plowing fields for their Swati masters, sound quite Tajik to me).......The people of Kunar, Laghaman and Nuristan were Kafirs but subjects of these Swati rulers of Swat. Bajaur was also inhabited by Kafirs but also with one of a section of Swati people (the Gebris) who were ruling class....Babur slayed the Gebri people in Bajaur.

These Swati rulers were ruling an extensive area including Kunar, Laghman, Nuristan, Bajaur, Kashkar, Dir-Swat, Upper Hazara, and Kashmir.

Do you know what the largest historic range of Nuristanis was?

[Afghanfootball]

Do you know what the largest historic range of Nuristanis was?

https://books.google.com/books?id=VW2HJL689wgC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130&dq=kafiristan+baburnama&source=bl&ots=oFYS9T0SYE&sig=fzR2rwYh2xRqOch8EJP7dep2ZYI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig5LLdzqjMAhWJZj4KHcutB20Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=kafiristan%20baburnama&f=false

Baburnama gives a good description.