New Mahmud of Ghazni and Pashtuns thread. Academically Relevant Comments ONLY

[Afghanfootball]

Also this BSS guy calling me dravidian? Dude your the Mulato who actually looks more Indian than Afghan or Arab.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Since you claim you're A Sayyid doesn't that mean you're mulatto too by the same logic?

Checkmate

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I think you meant to put that other reply here so I am reposting this here again because it's more consistent with the content.


The author only says that Islamic sources mistake them as Turks because they have "Turk elements"; the author doesn't in any place justify this hypothesis that it was a mistake. Primary sources from among the Turk Shahi themselves identify themselves as Turks

https://books.google.com/books?id=883OZBe2sMYC&pg=PA379&dq=Tegin+Shah+Turk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAWoVChMIociHm_COyAIViB0-Ch3yuQao#v=onepage&q=Tegin%20Shah%20Turk&f=false

The Turk Shahi has the Turkish royal name Qaralaca; which means they're from Turkish Nobility

[Samandri]

[MENTION=18277]Afghanfootball[/MENTION] Some excerpts from foot notes in English translation of Makhzan-i-Afghani, which supports your statement.

"It now remains to add an extract from Mr. Vansittart's Treatise on the Afghans, as given in the Asiatic Researches t:—" In the reign of Sultan Mahmud of Ghaznah,eight men arrived, of the posterity of Khalid the son of Khalid, whose names were Kalun, Alun, Daud, Yalua, Ahmed, Avoin, and Ghazi. The Sultan was much pleased with them, and appointed each a commander in his army. He also conferred on them the offices of Vazir, and Vakili Mutlak, or Regent of the Empire. Wherever they were stationed, they obtained possession of the country, built mosques, and overthrew the temples of idols. They increased so much, that the army of Mahmudwas chiefly composed of Afghans. When Herhind,a powerful prince of Hindustan, meditated an invasion of Ghaznah, Sultan Mahmuddispatched against him the descendants of Khalid, with twenty thousand horse: a battle ensued; the Afghansmade the attack; and, after a severe engagement, which lasted from day-break till noon, defeatedHerhind,killed many of the infidels, and converted some to the Mohammedan faith.

"The Afghansnow began to establish themselves in the mountains; and some settled in cities, with the permission of Sultan Mahmud. They formed regulations, dividing themselves into four classes, agreeably to the following descriptions:—The first is the pure class, consisting of those whose fathers and mothers were Afghans. The second class consists of those whose fathers were Afghans, and mothers of another nation. The third class contains those whose mothers were Afghans, and fathers of another nation. The fourth class is composed of the children of women whose mothers were Afghans, and fathers and husbands of a different nation. Persons who do not belong to one of these classes are not called Afghans."

From all these accounts of different authors, we must conclude that Sultan Mahmud attacked and subdued to him part of the Afghans; but those residing in the mountains (resembling, in this respect, the Circassians and other petty nations of the Caucasus) maintained their independence, and ever after harassed those passing their country; of which we read frequent instances in the history of Jenghiz Khan, Timur, Baber, and others. Even history tells us, that the successors of Sultan Mahmud had to struggle against the ever-rebellious Afghans residing in the mountains.[5]

This Ismail was dethroned by Sultan Mahmud, chiefly through the efforts of the Afghans, as we are told in the Riaz Ulmuhabbat:—" When Sabuktaghin emigrated from the perishable abode to the eternal, he was, agreeably to his last will, succeeded by his son Ismail, who was born of a daughter of Albtaghin, Sabuktaghin's protector: the mother of Sultan Mahmud, his second son, was a daughter of a Chief of Zabul. A quarrel arose between the two brothers, and they prepared for war; when the Afghans, who were attached to the Chief of Zabul, espoused the cause of Sultan Mahmud; who constituting them the van of his army, they executed a charge upon Ismail's troops. Ismail was discomfited by their gallantry, and himself taken prisoner, and shut up in some fortress. Mahmud was so pleased with them, that he married his sister to Malik Shahu, at that time the Chief of the Afghans, of whom Salar Masud Ghazi was born." See also Ferishta, Part I. p. 27.

(Bernhard Dorn, History of the Afghans, p-79, translation of makhzan-i-afghani)

[Afghanfootball]

[MENTION=18277]Afghanfootball[/MENTION] Some excerpts from foot notes in English translation of Makhzan-i-Afghani, which supports your statement.

"It now remains to add an extract from Mr. Vansittart's Treatise on the Afghans, as given in the Asiatic Researches t:—" In the reign of Sultan Mahmud of Ghaznah,eight men arrived, of the posterity of Khalid the son of Khalid, whose names were Kalun, Alun, Daud, Yalua, Ahmed, Avoin, and Ghazi. The Sultan was much pleased with them, and appointed each a commander in his army. He also conferred on them the offices of Vazir, and Vakili Mutlak, or Regent of the Empire. Wherever they were stationed, they obtained possession of the country, built mosques, and overthrew the temples of idols. They increased so much, that the army of Mahmudwas chiefly composed of Afghans. When Herhind,a powerful prince of Hindustan, meditated an invasion of Ghaznah, Sultan Mahmuddispatched against him the descendants of Khalid, with twenty thousand horse: a battle ensued; the Afghansmade the attack; and, after a severe engagement, which lasted from day-break till noon, defeatedHerhind,killed many of the infidels, and converted some to the Mohammedan faith.

"The Afghansnow began to establish themselves in the mountains; and some settled in cities, with the permission of Sultan Mahmud. They formed regulations, dividing themselves into four classes, agreeably to the following descriptions:—The first is the pure class, consisting of those whose fathers and mothers were Afghans. The second class consists of those whose fathers were Afghans, and mothers of another nation. The third class contains those whose mothers were Afghans, and fathers of another nation. The fourth class is composed of the children of women whose mothers were Afghans, and fathers and husbands of a different nation. Persons who do not belong to one of these classes are not called Afghans."

From all these accounts of different authors, we must conclude that Sultan Mahmud attacked and subdued to him part of the Afghans; but those residing in the mountains (resembling, in this respect, the Circassians and other petty nations of the Caucasus) maintained their independence, and ever after harassed those passing their country; of which we read frequent instances in the history of Jenghiz Khan, Timur, Baber, and others. Even history tells us, that the successors of Sultan Mahmud had to struggle against the ever-rebellious Afghans residing in the mountains.[5]

This Ismail was dethroned by Sultan Mahmud, chiefly through the efforts of the Afghans, as we are told in the Riaz Ulmuhabbat:—" When Sabuktaghin emigrated from the perishable abode to the eternal, he was, agreeably to his last will, succeeded by his son Ismail, who was born of a daughter of Albtaghin, Sabuktaghin's protector: the mother of Sultan Mahmud, his second son, was a daughter of a Chief of Zabul. A quarrel arose between the two brothers, and they prepared for war; when the Afghans, who were attached to the Chief of Zabul, espoused the cause of Sultan Mahmud; who constituting them the van of his army, they executed a charge upon Ismail's troops. Ismail was discomfited by their gallantry, and himself taken prisoner, and shut up in some fortress. Mahmud was so pleased with them, that he married his sister to Malik Shahu, at that time the Chief of the Afghans, of whom Salar Masud Ghazi was born." See also Ferishta, Part I. p. 27.

(Bernhard Dorn, History of the Afghans, p-79, translation of makhzan-i-afghani)

Wow great job finding this. Very interesting to see Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi was most likely half Afghan and Afghans were actually the catalyst to the creation of his empire.