Mahmud of Ghazni and the Pashtuns

[Samandri]

Mahmud of Ghazni and the Pashtuns

[Friends of Baloch]

Mahmud of Ghazni and the Pashtuns

Mahmud of Ghanzi was a powerful warrior who invaded Bundjab numerous times and massacred countless pakis.

Mahmud humiliated the pakis so much so in fact that to this day they still cower in fear and awe at his mastery over them and honor the name of Mahmud even though he slaughtered and plundered their ancestors!

It is another disgrace on the name of these pathetic pakis that they pay tributes to their conquerors long after their conquerors have packed up and left.

[Friends of Baloch]

It is quite sad how they keep naming their weapons after greats who made them their bitches.

I also got a question do you run the history of Baloch blog?

Pakis have no history they are a country and nationality that were invented by the British that is why they try to appropriate and steal the legacy and cultures of Muslims that conquered India even though pakis have no connection to these peoples and were the ones actually being conquered and humiliated by them, lol.

I dont write or own any blogs and dont know the one you mention.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mahmud_of_Ghazni

Mahmud's grandfather was Alptigin, a Turkic slave-guard of the Samanids, in Balkh, who crossed the Hindu Kush mountains to seize Ghazni from the declining Samanid Kingdom, located strategically on the road between Kabul and Kandahar. Alptigin was succeeded in 977 C.E. by his slave and son-in-law Sabuktigin, who enlarged upon Alptigin's conquests, extending his domain north to Balkh, west to Kandahar and Khorasan province, and east to the Indus River. According to Ferishta, Mahmoud's mother was a Persian noble from Zabulistan;

[Samandri]

His mother was Pashtun that's how he got Afghans in Ghazna and Zabulistan to support him.

History is silent on the ethnicity of his mother. Its actually Tarikh-e-Ferishta which mentions her as "from a good family of Zabulistan and that for this reason she is termed Zabuly" ( Ferishta, the rise of Muhammad Power in India, page-33). I will go through Tabqat-e-Nasiri to check whether she is mentioned there or not. Ferdusi mentions Mahmud of Ghazna as "Mahmud Zabuli" (because of his mother )

The Iranian lobby has made her to be "from Persian aristocratic family of Zabulistan".......in original text of Ferishta no where it is mentioned that she was 'Persian'. You are doing the same, adding Pashtun to the line in tarikh-e-ferishta . What does your ustaad Abdul Hai Habibi say about his Zabuli mother?

Brown Skinned Savage

[Brown Skinned Savage]

History is silent on the ethnicity of his mother. Its actually Tarikh-e-Ferishta which mentions her as "from a good family of Zabulistan and that for this reason she is termed Zabuly" ( Ferishta, the rise of Muhammad Power in India, page-33). I will go through Tabqat-e-Nasiri to check whether she is mentioned there or not. Ferdusi mentions Mahmud of Ghazna as "Mahmud Zabuli" (because of his mother )

The Iranian lobby has made her to be "from Persian aristocratic family of Zabulistan".......in original text no where it is mentioned that she was 'Persian'. You are doing the same, adding Pashtun to the line in tarikh-e-ferishta . What does your ustaad Abdul Hai Habibi say about his Zabuli mother?

Brown Skinned Savage

I see thank you for clarifying that. Some citations suggest that Ferdowsi claims that she was a Slave which means she was probably Turkic, but I have not seen the quote.

Thank you for clarifying; it was irresponsible of me to quote a secondary source without seeing the primary one.

[Samandri]

There were Afghan soldiers in the army of Turk Sultans of Ghazni, this can not be refuted. But its also a fact that we see Mahmud Ghaznavi carrying out punitive expeditions against Pashtuns just like Timur and Babur did. Utbi , the court historian of Mahmud, tell us that Afghans due to their plundering habits, were slaughtered by Sultan in great numbers

[Samandri]

I see thank you for clarifying that. Some citations suggest that Ferdowsi claims that she was a Slave which means she was probably Turkic, but I have not seen the quote.

Thank you for clarifying; it was irresponsible of me to quote a secondary source without seeing the primary one.

Ferishta doesnt call her slave . But It seems there is satire of Ferdusi in which he calls Mahmud with slave origin from both mother and father side.

https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=sllrz9lD1eQC&pg=PA29&dq=mahmud+zabuly&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=mahmud%20zabuly&f=true

[Samandri]

Well we have to also have to remember this is before Ahmad Shah Baba's time so the Afghan tribes were not united their loyalties were to different rulers.

The Afghans of Ghazna and Zabul probably joined them because his mother was one of their own however correct me if I'm wrong the Afghans who fought against him the most were the one in the Sulaiman Mountains.

Firdusi was contemperory of Mahmud. Although poets cant be fully trusted in describing facts, but if we assume his mother to be a slave, then she was most probably a Turk as they were the only ones who were slave in this region.

It is not mentioned by Utbi, that Afghans of which region were punished by Mahmud. Alberuni of the same period tell us that Afghans live south of Ghazni upto Sindh. Unfortunately we do not know much beyond this. It seems Ghazni itself was not populated by Afghans at that time.

[Samandri]

I can't find anything of her being a slave.

Read my previous post in response to Brown Skinned Savage, link is given there

[Samandri]

Ferishta doesnt call her slave . But It seems there is satire of Ferdusi in which he calls Mahmud with slave origin from both mother and father side.
https://books.google.com.pk/books?id...0zabuly&f=true

..............................this post

[Samandri]

Here is what Alama Abdul Hai Habibi has to say about Ghaznavid's relation to Pashtuns.

Wont rule out the possibility that she might be a pashtun but it is a speculation.

[Samandri]

Perhaps due to an analysis of some book, it was in my mind that Alberuni said that "Pashtuns lived south of Ghazni".

The translation of his passage in Kitab-ul-Hind is , "In the western frontier mountains of India there live various tribes of the Afghans and extend up to the neighbourhood of the Sindu valley"



Historians believe that he was referring to Koh Suleiman range which forms western frontier of Sub-Continent and which extends south up to neighborhood of Sindh valley.

In another passage in his book, he says "rebellious savage races , tribes of Hindus, or akin to them, inhabit the mountains which form the frontier of India towards the West".....Here Alberuni doesnt mention them Afghans but modern historians assume that they would be Afghans. But in my opinion he could be referring to Dardic and indic races of Koh Sufaid range , Salt range, Malakhand and Kafiristan.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Bahahahaha

I don't want to diss Abdul Hai Habibi entirely; but he does the same very poor sophistic attempts at trying to make word associations to support his claims as is usually done in Pashtun histiography


Look at what he says here that "AlpTageen" were mixed Turkish-Pashtun, because Habibi thinks Tageen is a Pashto family name.

Sabuktin, was the Father of Mahmud Ghaznawi, and the SON IN LAW of Alptageen, which means that Mahmud's mother was in fact a TURK woman. Mahmud's mother was ALPTAGIN's daughter

The word ALPTAGIN has no connection to Pashto whatsoever, the word means Brave Prince in Yamini Turkish. Which means he was the "Zabuli" Noble being referred to. ALPTAGIN was a Yamini Turk. The only Turks alleged to be associated with Pashtun tribes were the Khaladj or Khilji Turks

Tarikh-e-Firishta i confirmed that Sabuktin married Alptagin's daughter therefore she cannot be a Pashtana.

Furthermore the name "Loyak" was nowhere in reference; the Native Zabulis who were UPSEATED by Alptagin were LAWIK, not Loyak. Loyak is a fabrication by Habibi

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[Shamlawar Khurasani]

What was this "allama's" qualification? Where was he trained as a scholar? Does he also describe his methodology of research? Or is he just blabbering about like most Afghan "scholars"?