Sayyids in Afghanistan, akaa Sadat, have historically never been considered Pashtuns

[Brown Skinned Savage]

While Sayyids has certain prestige in a religious sense, Sayyids were never considered apart of the mainstream Pashtun cultural or social fabric. Most of the time Sayyids were Preachers, Sufi Pirs and Religious Scholars.

However they were always seem as outsiders to the Pashtun ethnic and cultural landscape. even Jamaluddin Al Afghani, while certainly born in Afghanistan, dressed completely differently than the Pashtuns that surrounded him. While different Pashtun tribes have treated Sayyids differently; Sayyids were always considered outsiders, and not natives. With very few exceptions; they were completely excluded from Pashtun tribal activity and judiciary Only the Mohmands would allow them a seat of the Table. Ghilzais excluded them and treated them as outsiders. Sayyids were always considered of Arab stock as well.



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[Kushan Prince]

The Arab troll thinks Wardak's are Syed's LOL.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Thought you had me on ignore?

[tilla_jogian]

Pashtuns is just like a caste, many people live among them and speak pashto but not everyone is pashtun. Confusion because name of caste and language is fooking same.

[Samandri]

In our areas , they are indeed held in esteem in religous sense but they are kept out of the tribal affairs, the 'Pashto' matters, just like other vassals are kept out of it. In my area, Sayyids were invited and were given lands which acted as buffer zone between two warring factions who were spilling each other blood for a century. In old times Pashtuns were extremely superstitious and would give lands to Syeds, most of whom were fakes from Hindostan and Kabul. A British visitor to Bannu in 1839 observes that Syeds, mostly from Hindostan, have come to the area and grabbed a big and best portion of lands. They would tell the Maliks that Muhammad p.b.u.h visited him in his dream and he told me to take the X.Y.Z Zameen for his descendant. Syeds were mostly frauds, and todays Syeds are descendants of those frauds.

Gandapurs, Wardaks, Mashwanis etc have different type of issues, a similar syndrome like being of lost ten tribes of Israel. I have observed Gandapurs and Mashwanis, very ferocious tribees with very strong Pashtun habits, nothing suggests they might be syeds. Syeds, usually live as dispersed families among tribes as vassals. Another similiar vassals, are Qureshis. In my area, even some Pashtun families of other tribes live as vassals to the local tribe e.g Miana branch of Sheranis and Kharotis are hamsayas in my village.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Yeah we were for a period of time vassals of the Tarakai of Ghazni, but we actually established ourselves and some Tarakai, Stanikzai and Tokhi clans are our vassals now.

We used to also have lots of Hazara and Hindu servants.

[tilla_jogian]

In our areas , they are indeed held in esteem in religous sense but they are kept out of the tribal affairs, the 'Pashto' matters, just like other vassals are kept out of it. In my area, Sayyids were invited and were given lands which acted as buffer zone between two warring factions who were spilling each other blood for a century. In old times Pashtuns were extremely superstitious and would give lands to Syeds, most of whom were fakes from Hindostan and Kabul. A British visitor to Bannu in 1839 observes that Syeds, mostly from Hindostan, have come to the area and grabbed a big and best portion of lands. They would tell the Maliks that Muhammad p.b.u.h visited him in his dream and he told me to take the X.Y.Z Zameen for his descendant. Syeds were mostly frauds, and todays Syeds are descendants of those frauds.

Gandapurs, Wardaks, Mashwanis etc have different type of issues, a similar syndrome like being of lost ten tribes of Israel. I have observed Gandapurs and Mashwanis, very ferocious tribees with very strong Pashtun habits, nothing suggests they might be syeds. Syeds, usually live as dispersed families among tribes as vassals. Another similiar vassals, are Qureshis. In my area, even some Pashtun families of other tribes live as vassals to the local tribe e.g Miana branch of Sheranis and Kharotis are hamsayas in my village.

These syeds are mostly from greater Punjab. Even Timur found syeds in current day east punjab. Syeds have been fooling people since centuries

''On the same day a party of saiyids, who [p. 46] dwelt in the vicinity, came with courtesy and humility to wait upon me, and were very graciously received. In my reverence for the race of the prophet, I treated their chiefs with great honour. I gave them all valuable robes, and I appointed an officer to go to their abodes and protect them, so that none of my soldiers should do them any injury.''

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts

Look how Timur treated them who annihilated everything in his path.

[marwat]

These syeds are mostly from greater Punjab. Even Timur found syeds in current day east punjab. Syeds have been fooling people since centuries

''On the same day a party of saiyids, who [p. 46] dwelt in the vicinity, came with courtesy and humility to wait upon me, and were very graciously received. In my reverence for the race of the prophet, I treated their chiefs with great honour. I gave them all valuable robes, and I appointed an officer to go to their abodes and protect them, so that none of my soldiers should do them any injury.''

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/742629/posts

Look how Timur treated them who annihilated everything in his path.

Punjabi are very good at fooling others. look your whole foreign policy is based on deception

[tilla_jogian]

Punjabi are very good at fooling others. look your whole foreign policy is based on deception

Punjabi syed also taught you how to write.

edit: seem like these syeds crossed Indus from punjab when process of pashtunization was over. Any new comer from that point on was not considered pashtun.