Roshniya movement (1560-1633)

[Samandri]

Roshniya movement (1560-1633)

[tilla_jogian]

Roshniya movement (1560-1633)

That syed was punjabi?

[Samandri]

That syed was punjabi?

Barki or Ormari tribe. Barkis of Waziristan claim to be Ansaris (Arabs)........Many Pashtuns had settled in Punjab on invitation of Lodhi Sultans, his family was one of them.

Dont tell me you are claiming him to be a Punjabi. He was a Pashto speaker. He was a Pashto poet and has authored books in Pashto like Khair-ul-bayan. He is also credited with inventing Pashto script.

[tilla_jogian]

Barki or Ormari tribe. Barkis of Waziristan claim to be Ansaris (Arabs)........Many Pashtuns had settled in Punjab on invitation of Lodhi Sultans, his family was one of them.

Dont tell me you are claiming him to be a Punjabi. He was a Pashto speaker. He was a Pashto poet and has authored books in Pashto like Khair-ul-bayan. He is also credited with inventing Pashto script.

Syeds are fake in Pakistan, so he was punjabi. Interesting.

[tripledouble]

haha so now some Syed (who are not pakhtuns) born in Jalandhar, Punjab is a hero for Pakhtuns

[marwat]

Syeds are fake in Pakistan, so he was punjabi. Interesting.

pako it carries a very good message for your blind state who for obvious reason have put a faith on 1 billion US dollar CSF and old crap fleet of f16 but turn a blind eye to pashtun infamous past, independent nature and resistance. at the end of the day pako army is going to retreat very soon. that day will be the end of the punjob fascism.

[Badlun]

Roshniya movement (1560-1633)

Very informative post. Roshniya movement was always my curiosity and love. I did not know that Jalalabad is dedicated to the name of Jalala. I have also seen two villages on Mardan -Swat road by the name of Jalala. Also the famous Pashto song ..da jalala oba khwagey di ...

I could not understand the following:
1. Both Pir Baba, Akhundarweza and Pir Roshan Bayazid were Sufi Muslims, so what were their doctrinal differences?

2. Pir Roshan made Shariat only one step in his scheme of things while all otehr steps are purely spiritual like tariqat, haqiat, marifat, qudrat, wasalat, wahdat and sakunat. If he was so spiritual, then why all these wars and violence?

3. It seems that his movement was more Pashtun nationalist as he only worked with Pashtun tribes , never with some one else. Did he use Pashtun nationalism and tribalism as his slogans of war against the non Pashtun Mughals or his slogan was religion and not Pashtunism?

4. How could the great Bibi Aliya and Jalala could shun their resistance and accept money?

5. Is there any book on great and famous Pashtun women like Bibi Aliya and Malala?

[tilla_jogian]

pako it carries a very good message for your blind state who for obvious reason have put a faith on 1 billion US dollar CSF and old crap fleet of f16 but turn a blind eye to pashtun infamous past, independent nature and resistance. at the end of the day pako army is going to retreat very soon. that day will be the end of the punjob fascism.

panjabay taught afghanis how to write in their own language and here you are bragging about infamous past of savages?

[Samandri]

Very informative post. Roshniya movement was always my curiosity and love. I did not know that Jalalabad is dedicated to the name of Jalala. I have also seen two villages on Mardan -Swat road by the name of Jalala. Also the famous Pashto song ..da jalala oba khwagey di ...

I could not understand the following:
1. Both Pir Baba, Akhundarweza and Pir Roshan Bayazid were Sufi Muslims, so what were their doctrinal differences?

2. Pir Roshan made Shariat only one step in his scheme of things while all otehr steps are purely spiritual like tariqat, haqiat, marifat, qudrat, wasalat, wahdat and sakunat. If he was so spiritual, then why all these wars and violence?

3. It seems that his movement was more Pashtun nationalist as he only worked with Pashtun tribes , never with some one else. Did he use Pashtun nationalism and tribalism as his slogans of war against the non Pashtun Mughals or his slogan was religion and not Pashtunism?

4. How could the great Bibi Aliya and Jalala could shun their resistance and accept money?

5. Is there any book on great and famous Pashtun women like Bibi Aliya and Malala?

Frankly speaking i do not have answers for your questions, an expert on sufism will have answers for your.

To correct you , Jalala didnt join Mughal service , he died in 1599 AD after capture of Ghazni. Abdul Qadir submitted to Mughal authority, but one of his family member, Allah Dad, his uncle was already in service of Mughals, known in history as Rashid Khan Ansari who rose to high rank mansab of 4000. If they surrendered , it means they were defeated and accepted a graceful retirement with jagirs in India.

And who told you a spiritual person cant raise his sword for his cause? , military career of spirtual Hazarat Muhammad p.b.u.h is in-front of us. Roshnai movement was religous as well as political movement, like todays Taliban.

[Samandri]

pako it carries a very good message for your blind state who for obvious reason have put a faith on 1 billion US dollar CSF and old crap fleet of f16 but turn a blind eye to pashtun infamous past, independent nature and resistance. at the end of the day pako army is going to retreat very soon. that day will be the end of the punjob fascism.

The history of 70 year long war of Pashtuns of FATA under the banner of Roshnai movement against Mughals, is making these two Punjabian very uncomfortable and uneasy. Even most of the Pashtuns let alone Punjabian are unaware of this history. Tirah was headquarter of Roshnais and Mughals failed to conquer it in several attempts, the same Tirah is nightmare for pakistani army today and they have yet to conquer it......

These Roshnais were called Tariki heretics by Akhund Darweza, just like todays Taliban are considered Khwarij or some thing like that. Whatever were the ideologies and political affiliations, tribes of FATA had reminded empires that they should tread carefully on their soil. Ignorant Pakistani adventurists, have provoked a war which like previous ones, would be going on intermittently for decades or even a century.

[Samandri]

haha so now some Syed (who are not pakhtuns) born in Jalandhar, Punjab is a hero for Pakhtuns

Who is your hero? the answer is Hari Singh after which your district is named.

[tilla_jogian]

The history of 70 year long war of Pashtuns of FATA under the banner of Roshnai movement against Mughals, is making these Punjabian very uncomfortable and uneasy. Even most of the Pashtuns let alone Punjabian are unaware of this history. Tirah was headquarter of Roshnais and Mughals failed to conquer it in several attempts, the same Tirah is nightmare for pakistani army today and they have yet to conquer it......

These Roshnais were called Tariki heretics by Akhund Darweza, just like todays Taliban are considered Khwarij or some thing like that. Whatever were the ideologies and political affiliations, tribes of FATA had reminded empires that they should tread carefully on their soil. Ignorant Pakistani adventurists, have provoked a war which like previous ones, would be going on intermittently for decades or even a century.

Never heard of any of this **** before let alone making panjabay uncomfortable LMAO panjabay taught you how to write, never forget this fact.

[Samandri]

Never heard of any of this **** before let alonmaking panjabay uncomfortable

Thats my point , you two sons of Banda Singh Bahadur were unaware of Roshniya movement, and now are uncomfortable and uneasy after reading this, thats why reacting weirdly to the thread......

Remember history repeat itself.

[Badlun]

Frankly speaking i do not have answers for your questions, an expert on sufism will have answers for your.

To correct you , Jalala didnt join Mughal service , he died in 1599 AD after capture of Ghazni. Abdul Qadir submitted to Mughal authority, but one of his family member, Allah Dad, his uncle was already in service of Mughals, known in history as Rashid Khan Ansari who rose to high rank mansab of 4000. If they surrendered , it means they were defeated and accepted a graceful retirement with jagirs in India.

And who told you a spiritual person cant raise his sword for his cause? , military career of spirtual Hazarat Muhammad p.b.u.h is in-front of us. Roshnai movement was religous as well as political movement, like todays Taliban.

How Muhamamd was spiritual as Sufism is haram in Wahabi Islam. Can you please prove sufism in the original Islam. If Muhamamd was spiritual then how could he crush the gods of others, how could he prohibit music, dance, fine arts, architecture, poetry etc which are aesthetical as well as spiritual.
How Taliban are spiritual or Sufi? I cant digest it.

[Samandri]

How Muhamamd was spiritual as Sufism is haram in Wahabi Islam. Can you please prove sufism in the original Islam. If Muhamamd was spiritual then how could he crush the gods of others, how could he prohibit music, dance, fine arts, architecture, poetry etc which are aesthetical as well as spiritual.
How Taliban are spiritual or Sufi? I cant digest it.

@jankhan [MENTION=1753]Manzareh[/MENTION] @BarakzaiAbdali now i understand why this one is garbarri....