Sakzai tribe

[Bengal_Tiger]

[MENTION=5723]Kushan Prince[/MENTION]

...and anyone else.

Can you tell me more about the Sakzai tribe of Pakhtuns. I know very little about them. Kushan, you seem quite knowledgable on Pakhtun history and the origins of the tribes.

Sakzais are a sub-tribe of Ghilzais.

Can you tell me more about them please?

[Afghanfootball]

They are a Pakhtun tribe living in southwest AFG (Ghor, Helmand, Farah) Their name suggests relation to the Saka. The Sakas are also thought to bring Pashto from Bakhtar to South Afghanistan.

[Kushan Prince]

They descend from the Scythian people (Saka's in Pashto) who were from southern Afghanistan and were heavily nomadic. Even historians agree with their Saka origins since since their name says it all.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Why does Bengali want to know about the Sakzai? Is he going to start claiming that in 1472 a Sakzai conquered his part of Bengal, took Bengali women sired an entire Bengali family and he's their descendant? SO desperate to be Pashtun, but never making the mark

And both of you guys are just using A very poorly citationed Wikipedia reference

NEITHER of these associations of Sakzai are correct.

The word Sak or Saak is a corruption of the word Sahak, because "H" is not always pronounced, even though it's in the spelling. people say Saak/Sak.

there are actually several "Sakzai" but the main Sakzai are the same as Sahak who are from the Hotak clan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

They descend from the Scythian people (Saka's in Pashto) who were from southern Afghanistan and were heavily nomadic. Even historians agree with their Saka origins since since their name says it all.

Thanks to [MENTION=18277]Afghanfootball[/MENTION] and Kushan Prince on the Sakzai tribe.

So they are not a subset of the Ghilzais?

This is what I found out about them.

Sakzai (Pashto: سکزی), also called Sakazai, Sagzai, Sagzi and Sijzi (Arabic: سجزي), are a historical Pashtun tribe of Afghanistan located within the locales of Nimroz, Ghor, Helmand and Farah. The Sakzai are 24 subtribes and 95 or 96 clans with an approximate population of over 4.9 million people. Their name suggests a connection with the historic East Iranian Saka tribes of Central Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakzai

Yes, the name itself does indicate that they may be connected to the Sakas i.e. Scythians.

[Samandri]

Its Alama Al-Habibi, who came up with connection of Sakzi with Sakas and Seistan , very weak theory, his article is given below

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Thousands of years ago a group of people came to the land of the great and mighty southern rivers of present day Seistan. These people were the Saks, whose progeny, under the name of Sakzai, still live along the banks of the Helmand River.


The Saks were a brave and robust people. The land where they settled came to be known as Sakistan which was Arabized as Sajistan and later it became Seistan. Arab conquerors called the people of Seistan Sajzi, which is the Arabized form of Sakzai. The Sakzai still live in this area, as far as the western parts of Kandahar and Bost. They are a tall and lanky people with a tanned complexion and speak the Pashto language. They are considered to be a part of the great Durrani tribe. The Sakzai built mighty civilizations and large cities and formed an effective system of government in this land.


The Seistan wetland covers an area of about 150,000 square miles into which four rivers, the Helmand, Khash Rud, Farah Rud and Harut Rud empty. To the south of this wetland lies the Gaud-e Zerreh, another marshy wetland. The desert in between covers an area of roughly 150 by 100 miles. The Farah Rud composed the northern boundary of this parcel of land where Peshawaran and Takht-e Rustam are located. Dasht-e Zerreh forms the southern boundary of this area. Remnants of ancient civilizations are evident in every direction of this vast land. Thousands of mounds and remains of ancient fortresses are seen here that have been destroyed by weathering turning this great civilization into an abode of insects and reptiles. Millions of ancient relics are buried under the rubble of the great cities of Seistan. It is not clear what led to the destruction of these cities. The area with hundreds of thousands inhabitants was one of the most important center of civilization in Asia. Zaranj, the major city of Sakistan, rivaled with Baghdad at the time. No one now lives in ancient Zaranj and the area has turned into a jungle of reeds.


Sakistan was the home of great heroes, kings, scholars and establishers of new religions. Under the rubble of each fallen wall countless cultural relics are hidden. The legendary heroes, Rustam and Yakub were raised in this land. Sajistanians, the inhabitants of this land, played a major role in the development of Islamic sciences and were the founders of the respected Seistan religion. Early Dari (Persian) poets recited their poetry in the court of Yakub Safari in Zaranj and an important part of the odes of Shahnama (Book of Kings) is composed from the fables of Seistan. The most ancient Persian book of prose, Keshf-al-Majoob, was written with Seistani penmanship. Members of the social group of this land, known as Ayaran, formed political and social groups and they gave rise to leaders such as Yakub and Omar, whose fame spread as far as Baghdad and Damascus.


Unfortunately, this cradle of civilization was completely obliterated. Its population was decimated by the Mongol hordes to the extent that when the Englishman, Sir Goldsmith, visited the area in 1872 he reported there were only 45,000 people residing in this vast stretch of land. Thirty years later while Sir MacMohan was delineating the Afghan-Iranian border, according to Tate, the total population of the area was 161,000 people only. (Tate, The Baluchistan Borders).

http://www.alamahabibi.com/

[Afghanfootball]

Its Alama Al-Habibi, who came up with connection of Sakzi with Sakas and Seistan , very weak theory, his article is given below

.................................

Thousands of years ago a group of people came to the land of the great and mighty southern rivers of present day Seistan. These people were the Saks, whose progeny, under the name of Sakzai, still live along the banks of the Helmand River.


The Saks were a brave and robust people. The land where they settled came to be known as Sakistan which was Arabized as Sajistan and later it became Seistan. Arab conquerors called the people of Seistan Sajzi, which is the Arabized form of Sakzai. The Sakzai still live in this area, as far as the western parts of Kandahar and Bost. They are a tall and lanky people with a tanned complexion and speak the Pashto language. They are considered to be a part of the great Durrani tribe. The Sakzai built mighty civilizations and large cities and formed an effective system of government in this land.


The Seistan wetland covers an area of about 150,000 square miles into which four rivers, the Helmand, Khash Rud, Farah Rud and Harut Rud empty. To the south of this wetland lies the Gaud-e Zerreh, another marshy wetland. The desert in between covers an area of roughly 150 by 100 miles. The Farah Rud composed the northern boundary of this parcel of land where Peshawaran and Takht-e Rustam are located. Dasht-e Zerreh forms the southern boundary of this area. Remnants of ancient civilizations are evident in every direction of this vast land. Thousands of mounds and remains of ancient fortresses are seen here that have been destroyed by weathering turning this great civilization into an abode of insects and reptiles. Millions of ancient relics are buried under the rubble of the great cities of Seistan. It is not clear what led to the destruction of these cities. The area with hundreds of thousands inhabitants was one of the most important center of civilization in Asia. Zaranj, the major city of Sakistan, rivaled with Baghdad at the time. No one now lives in ancient Zaranj and the area has turned into a jungle of reeds.


Sakistan was the home of great heroes, kings, scholars and establishers of new religions. Under the rubble of each fallen wall countless cultural relics are hidden. The legendary heroes, Rustam and Yakub were raised in this land. Sajistanians, the inhabitants of this land, played a major role in the development of Islamic sciences and were the founders of the respected Seistan religion. Early Dari (Persian) poets recited their poetry in the court of Yakub Safari in Zaranj and an important part of the odes of Shahnama (Book of Kings) is composed from the fables of Seistan. The most ancient Persian book of prose, Keshf-al-Majoob, was written with Seistani penmanship. Members of the social group of this land, known as Ayaran, formed political and social groups and they gave rise to leaders such as Yakub and Omar, whose fame spread as far as Baghdad and Damascus.


Unfortunately, this cradle of civilization was completely obliterated. Its population was decimated by the Mongol hordes to the extent that when the Englishman, Sir Goldsmith, visited the area in 1872 he reported there were only 45,000 people residing in this vast stretch of land. Thirty years later while Sir MacMohan was delineating the Afghan-Iranian border, according to Tate, the total population of the area was 161,000 people only. (Tate, The Baluchistan Borders).


http://www.alamahabibi.com/

Its okay Porki we know your a Porki nationalist. Go get some rotey for your daal.

[Afghanfootball]

Why does Bengali want to know about the Sakzai? Is he going to start claiming that in 1472 a Sakzai conquered his part of Bengal, took Bengali women sired an entire Bengali family and he's their descendant? SO desperate to be Pashtun, but never making the mark

And both of you guys are just using A very poorly citationed Wikipedia reference

NEITHER of these associations of Sakzai are correct.

The word Sak or Saak is a corruption of the word Sahak, because "H" is not always pronounced, even though it's in the spelling. people say Saak/Sak.

there are actually several "Sakzai" but the main Sakzai are the same as Sahak who are from the Hotak clan.

Please do provide a source.

[Samandri]

Its okay Porki we know your a Porki nationalist. Go get some rotey for your daal.

You shouldnt be angry because i reported you and got banned you on historium, you were rude and racist and were disrupting the quality discussion there.

Any way members here are not aware but you revealed there that you are farsiwan from kabul on father side and "khilji" from mother side.......

Do speak in Pashto with us because your " Padarnolat" name calling on other forum is very Tajiki.

[Samandri]

In case members are wondering what i am talking about,

http://historum.com/asian-history/91577-why-weren-t-pashtun-majority-areas-pakistan-alowed-join-afghanistan-1947-a-7.html

[Afghanfootball]

You shouldnt be angry because i reported you and got banned you on historium, you were rude and racist and were disrupting the quality discussion there.

Any way members here are not aware but you revealed there that you are farsiwan from kabul on father side and "khilji" from mother side.......

Do speak in Pashto with us because your " Padarnolat" name calling on other forum is very Tajiki.

I have already told everyone here that I am farsiwan on my father's side. Farsiwan Afghans and Pashtun Afghans are 1000000x times ahead of Porkis like you.

[Samandri]

I have already told everyone here that I am farsiwan on my father's side. Farsiwan Afghans and Pashtun Afghans are 1000000x times ahead of Porkis like you.

"AfghanistanBactriaAriana" Lol, how are you different from those Indians and Bengalis who associate themselves with us merely on basis of having few drops of Pashtun blood...

Listen dik-head, A person without Pashto is no Pashtun..........A farsiwan Pathan is no different from Urdu-wan Pathan

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Please do provide a source.

I'm a Sakzai

[Afghanfootball]

"AfghanistanBactriaAriana" Lol, how are you different from those Indians and Bengalis who associate themselves with us merely on basis of having few drops of Pashtun blood...

Listen dik-head, A person without Pashto is no Pashtun..........A farsiwan Pathan is no different from Urdu-wan Pathan

Looool
My mother is a full Pashtun and my father is half Pashtun half Afghan Farsiwan. Please don't say us you are a daalkhor embarrassment to the good Paki "Pashtuns".

[Brown Skinned Savage]

"AfghanistanBactriaAriana" Lol, how are you different from those Indians and Bengalis who associate themselves with us merely on basis of having few drops of Pashtun blood...

Listen dik-head, A person without Pashto is no Pashtun..........A farsiwan Pathan is no different from Urdu-wan Pathan

I knew there was something a bit off about this dude. Did you see the thread where he claimed a Pashto song was Pamiri?