Ahmad Zahir

[Shayesta]

Shayesta define Pashtun

Define when and how a Pukhtoon becomes a non-Pukhtoon.

He was a non-Pashtun linguistically and culturally (didn't speak Pashto).

Back then, which Pukhtoon despite of growing up in Kabul plus having a Tajik mother, did?

In Afghanistan, a number of non-Pashtuns claimed Pashtun descent to seek ethnic affinity with the ruling royal family.

Except for that his father till the day of today is very well known in Afghanistan, who indeed is a Pukhtoon.

[IamDZJ]

U ought to listen to some of his songs...they are so deep and meaningful. When this month is over remind me to send u 2-3 songs by him.

[samoon salarzai]

احمد ظاهر (په انګرېزي:Ahmad Zahir) (زېږېدنه؛۱۳۲۴ ل. - مړينه؛۱۳۵۸ ل.) د افغانستان يو نامتو سندرغاړی، سندرې جوړونکی، کمپوزر او پېژندلی هنرمند دی. نوموړی د افغان موسيقۍ يو داسې ځلانده ستوری دی چې د نوموړي د مړينې نه نيمه پېړۍ وروسته لا هم د هغه د سندرو او هُنر مينه وال په افغانستان، ايران، تاجکستان او پاکستان کې شته او د همدغه شهرت او نوم له کبله په افغاني موسيقۍ کې يو سمبوليکه شخصيت او د يو ځانګړي ځای خاوند ګڼل کېږي. کله نا کله احمد ظاهر ته د افغان موسيقۍ د پاچا لقب هم کارېدلی. هر کلا د افغانستان خلک د احمد ظاهر تلين د هغه په يادغونډو لمانځي. د ګڼ شمېر خلکو له مخې د احمد ظاهر او اېلوېس پرېسلي (Elvis Presley) د موسيقۍ او ډول تر مېنځ ورته والی او شباهت ليدل کېږي او له همدې سببه د ځينو په اند د افغان اېلوېس پرېسلي نوم هم ورته کارېدلی

[afghan]

i have heard diffirent stories about him. Tajiks from tajikistan claim he was tajik, whos family immigrated to afghanistan.. makes no sense.
Non pastun of afghanistan claim he was a tajik, who spoke persian and ethnically he was a pashai.
i was not able to find any reliable source about his tribe if he was a pashtun. i think he was anti-pashtun he does have few songs in pashto and pretty good one.

[IamDZJ]

YouTube - Zahira Zahir recalls Ahmad Zahir [خاطرات Ù…Ø*ترمه ظاهره ظاهر]

[IamDZJ]

I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY COMPUTER AND I AM NOT DOWNLOADING 500 SONGS TO SKIM THROUGH SO I CAN FIND THE PErFECT ONES FOR YOU DURING RAMAZAN.
I WILL DO IT EVENTUALLY THOUGH.

[eyeliner]

nope ahmad zahir was pashtun,

[Shayesta]

i think he was anti-pashtun he does have few songs in pashto and pretty good one.

So because he spoke Dari as his first language he became an anti-Pukhtoon? Such claims are only made by anti-Pukhtoons because even his son is said to be married to a Pukhto speaking Kandaharei, and apparently that's also the language his kids speak. Nephew of his son's wife was a member on AF and he had even posted their wedding pictures.

[Nick]

He was Farsiwan and anti-Pashtun. Moreover, why is Persian allowed here?

He was a non-Pashtun linguistically and culturally (didn't speak Pashto). In Afghanistan, a number of non-Pashtuns claimed Pashtun descent to seek ethnic affinity with the ruling royal family. Babrak Karmal was another famous personality that even though was a Tajak but claimed to be a Pashtun to win favor of the Pashtun majority.

Dear Toramana He Was Farsiwan I 100% agree, he was non-Pashtun I 100% agree, He was a Persian? where did you get that from?
non-Pashtun Culturally? lol you mean there is a Pashtun Culture and an Afghan culture wow something I learn lol? I am sorry but I don't want to be mean, Do you know what Culture means? As far as I know its "Afghan culture" which is alive in Afghanistan West of Durand line and also somewhat alive in some parts of Indian villages often nicknamed "Pathani towns!".

In Afghanistan, a number of non-Pashtuns claimed Pashtun descent to seek ethnic affinity with the ruling royal family.

My name is spelled Nikmohamad Ahmadzia, and according to my grandfather we are Suliman Khel, and my mother side ghura Khel. My grandfather was a professor in Kabul University teaching Dari literature, he never spoke a word of Pashtu with me all in Dari he also wrote the names of our 14th forefathers and also said we are native Shamaliwals. So I know damn well that who we are tribally and racially, but to the world ethnically we are Classified as "Tajiks" by native name we call ourselves Farsiwans. Hear this one. My cousins came from Iran, 2 younger ones were born in Iran and both the ones born and the ones refugee at young age were all classified in their documents as "Tajiks of Afghanistan" LOL interestingly but guess what their name is "Ahmadi" I am not even kidding LOL yes we are from same grandfather lol.
This is a reality we all don't have our tribal affiliated names. Today many people change their name if it was Amir Qasim, they go with Amir Qasim Salarzai LOL and this is new, but in old days it was your name and your fathers name lol both in Arabic name LOL. Nowadays its Your name and your Family name a proposal made by Tarzi in Government offices started recording names with First name and Family name, now its your name and your last name, so someone with Jamshed Sadozai would want to be Jamshed Durrani. Therefore Ahmad Zahir having his Father's first name "Zahir" is an high Laghmani official with 3 generation of being involved with Mohammadzai dynasty says enough about them being "afghan" Pashtun or not Pashtun, makes little difference to them since they choose to speak "Dari" and not Pashtu. Interestingly some of our singers still have their last name Naim Popal LOL go punch him in the face since he doesn't sing in Pashtu and barely knows Pashtu. LOL speaking of young generation there is guy whom i met in Canada a young singer Nawid Orakzai LOL doesn't know a word of Pashtu, you want more I will post more famous "Tajiks" with last names affiliated with Pashtuns. So what you say shell we start?

[Shayesta]

^ For first time ever I completely failed to understand your point.

[Nick]

^ For first time ever I completely failed to understand your point.

LOL very simple If Ahmad Zahir had his tribal affiliated name even if didn't spoke a word of Pashtu, then there would be no confusion to Toramana, and Toramana would of accepted him as a "Pashtun" just like he accepted PAkistan's National Security Adviser Mahmud Durrani as a Pashtun and Hamad Karzai as a Pashtun, LOL despite he knows little of Pashtu, and fluent in Dari, same applies to Mahmud Durrani, except only difference that Karzai is learning and is getting better but Mahmud lol never spoke Pashtu.

[khyaal]

LOL very simple If Ahmad Zahir had his tribal affiliated name even if didn't spoke a word of Pashtu, then there would be no confusion to Toramana, and Toramana would of accepted him as a "Pashtun" just like he accepted PAkistan's National Security Adviser Mahmud Durrani as a Pashtun and Hamad Karzai as a Pashtun, LOL despite he knows little of Pashtu, and fluent in Dari, same applies to Mahmud Durrani, except only difference that Karzai is learning and is getting better but Mahmud lol never spoke Pashtu.

Nick! They believe in an ethnocentric version of nationalism which I guess will hardly be acceptible to even a very small fraction of Pashtun/afghan population to both sides of the Durand line. It is simply not a viable or workable idealogy for states to run.

[afghan]

So because he spoke Dari as his first language he became an anti-Pukhtoon? Such claims are only made by anti-Pukhtoons because even his son is said to be married to a Pukhto speaking Kandaharei, and apparently that's also the language his kids speak. Nephew of his son's wife was a member on AF and he had even posted their wedding pictures.

sorry i just mistyped it. what i meant he was not anti-pashtun. sorry for that.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

LOL very simple If Ahmad Zahir had his tribal affiliated name even if didn't spoke a word of Pashtu, then there would be no confusion to Toramana, and Toramana would of accepted him as a "Pashtun" just like he accepted PAkistan's National Security Adviser Mahmud Durrani as a Pashtun and Hamad Karzai as a Pashtun, LOL despite he knows little of Pashtu, and fluent in Dari, same applies to Mahmud Durrani, except only difference that Karzai is learning and is getting better but Mahmud lol never spoke Pashtu.

karzai speaks pashto well

[Nick]

karzai speaks pashto well

I too can speak well Pashtu LOL if I had some training and few speeches from paper. I am talking about his early stages, common Ghaznivi you know where i am heading.