Afghanistan And Pakhtuns' Destiny

[ijaz yousafzai]

Ijaz sb

While your observation and the resulting concern about the diminishing Pakhtun culture or Persianisation is valid however may I opine that you have not mentioned the cause and hence diagnosis of the problem and at the same time you did not pay serious attention to my points which implied that:

It is not the linguistic or cultural issue which Afghans are facing today but rather the weakness of the Afghan state. ...........ETC ETC.

Pakhtun in Afghanistan is getting a "subdued majority" with the passage of time. National identity and national assertion in a nation-state are pivotal political considerations.World map is being re-defined and new lines on the map are being drawn to get national identity, socio-political power and economic muscles, in the same order.Since the establishment of League of Nations, the map of the World has gone through such changes, in accordance with the national aspiration of different old nations in infant states. It is not the state which needs to be strenghthened and consolidated but the Nation inhabiting it.Majority should not give away or surrender its status to lead, but at the same time should not usurp the rights of sister nationalities. Language is the loudest icon of national character and national culture and should not be neglected. Someone has said that," if you want to subdue a nation, then snatch its language, first."The so-called Pakstani nationhood failed to assimilate the East Bengalis, who ,despite being a majority in united Pakistan, faced the challanges of their rights and language. I'm afraid if someone could have the courage to ask them to forget about every thing and yoke themselves to strenghthen the State.
It was Taimur Shah the son of great Ahmad Shah Baba who turned the table on Afghan/Pakhtun. The later Afghan rulers perpetuated the same policy to cling to the throne. The "cultured" Parsiban aristocracy and bureaucracy took the Afghan elite as virtual hostage and even hijacked the historical appellation of "Afghan", which previously particularized only Pakhtuns. The Afghan/Pakhtun were stubbornly called as "Aksariyat-e-Bayfarhang". Today, with Karzai at the saddle, the Pakhtuns are lacking proper representation matching to their size. Makhdoom Raheen was bold enough to attack the culture of the majority and names of the ministries and department were changed to Dari.The worst was witnessed when hostile protestors dismantled the portrait edifice of great Ahmad Shah Baba and erected the portrait of Ahmad Shah Masud in Ghazi stadium Kabul, which reveals the hidden designs of vested interest to disrobe the Pakhtuns of their due status and standing in Afghanistan. The" Milli Sarod" (National Anthem) of Afghanistan, after the return of Democracy, was hanging for a long time as the minorities refused to accommodate a leading role of the Big Brother to the Pakhtuns.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

wrora i have heard many references to this incident where ahmad shah babas portrait was removed...but i havent found any articles or pictures to corroborate this incident

[muhsina]

Ijaz sb

Pakhtun in Afghanistan is getting a "subdued majority" with the passage of time. National identity and national assertion in a nation-state are pivotal political considerations.

I wish you were also concerned about the enslaved position of Pakhtuns in Pakistan where our major two tribes Khattaks and Yousafzais are serving as the loyal servant to the Punjabi elite and our language,culture and history are getting extinct and you get concerned about the same in Afghanistan where, as has been mentioned a couple of times, Pashto is not only just a language but a national language,the major language of the parliament, the language of print media and even that of electronic media [shamshad,Lemar etc].

The subdued status is due to the conservative nature of Pashtuns and it will only change into a dominant status once Pashtuns use the might of the state to their advantage at the same time giving due rights to the other minorities. This can be done only by making the state and its institution more powerful.

It is not the state which needs to be strenghthened and consolidated but the Nation inhabiting it. Majority should not give away or surrender its status to lead, but at the same time should not usurp the rights of sister nationalities.

How can you strengthen a nation inhibiting a state if the state itself is weak. You mean that state has no funds for schools but you want to make a nation literate, a state has no funds for hospitals but you want to make the nation healthy and so on. Yess it can be done on a low scale but for the uplift of a whole nation it is impossible without the might of a state.

"The so-called Pakstani nationhood failed to assimilate the East Bengalis, who ,despite being a majority in united Pakistan, faced the challenges of their rights and language. I'm afraid if someone could have the courage to ask them to forget about every thing and yoke themselves to strengthen the State.

The analogy of Bengalis does not apply to Pashtuns. In case of Bengalis in addition to the exploitation of their resources, their language was also abandoned by imposing Urdu over them. In case of Pashtuns, what Pashtuns are facing is not due to the exploitation of Non Pashtuns or the forced abandoning of Pashto language but the inability of Pashtuns of Afghanistan to make Pashto a lingua franca and lingua literati. However it is encouraging to see that with the launching of media like Shamshad and other newspapers others there is a conscious effort for the renaissance of the language and culture conducive to the strengthening of the Pakhtun language and culture as well as to the Pakhtun majority state.

It was Taimur Shah the son of great Ahmad Shah Baba who turned the table on Afghan/Pakhtun. The later Afghan rulers perpetuated the same policy to cling to the throne. The "cultured" Parsiban aristocracy and bureaucracy took the Afghan elite as virtual hostage and even hijacked the historical appellation of "Afghan", which previously particularized only Pakhtuns. The Afghan/Pakhtun were stubbornly called as "Aksariyat-e-Bayfarhang".

It was a mistake by Taimur shah as well as by the subsequent monarchs. However a nation which does not keep up with the pace of history will have the disadvantage that their fate will be decided by monarchs who react to the intrigues of their palaces. Moreover the “peghor” of “aksariyata be farhang” is due to the fact that the braintrust of Pakhtuns is in the service of power elite instead of safeguarding their national interests in their motherland and hence leaving it to other nations to take care of them.

Today, with Karzai at the saddle, the Pakhtuns are lacking proper representation matching to their size. Makhdoom Raheen was bold enough to attack the culture of the majority and names of the ministries and department were changed to Dari.

Karzai has done a wonderful job in such challenging times. Afghanistan is not a 250 years old democracy like US that we raise our expectations to the level of American masses. He has pushed Afghanistan from war like situation and put it on a road to progress and peace. The language ,as I have said, in such circumstances is secondary however we saw that with the stabilization of Afghan state slowly we got electronic and print media and other institutions in place boosting Pashto and in a natural evolutionary process they will get their progress and stability and once the majority has national awareness as a result of strengthening of national institutions the majority will re assert its role ,political effectiveness and right to lead.

The worst was witnessed when hostile protestors dismantled the portrait edifice of great Ahmad Shah Baba and erected the portrait of Ahmad Shah Masud in Ghazi stadium Kabul, which reveals the hidden designs of vested interest to disrobe the Pakhtuns of their due status and standing in Afghanistan. The" Milli Sarod" (National Anthem) of Afghanistan, after the return of Democracy, was hanging for a long time as the minorities refused to accommodate a leading role of the Big Brother to the Pakhtuns.

These are individual incidents and a just a reaction depicting the tribal mentality which is particular to Afghans due to belonging o tribal society. This will not be long lasting as minority cannot impose their will on majority. With the strength of Afghan state and progress of Afghanistan these feelings of revenge and tribal enmity will be replaced by democratic norms.

[Nokia_Apridy]

خدايه داسې وخت به راشي
چې زمونږ جهاز به هم وي
لکه باز به په هوا شي
په ترخو اوبو به سم وي
رېل به هم زمونږ پيدا شي
تار به هم په هر قدم وي
زه به خپل جرنيل پسې ووم
په دښمن به جوړ ماتم وي

Wei haga da cha khbra so shweeeeeet

KAsam da Aghyaru rata nan pa Sar KHug krey wu

da Shair rata aram rakru manam

Sakhi Lala salloooooot

[Dawezai]

Yousafzai saib, thanks for sharing your ideas. I enjoyed reading your article albeit, with reservations. Your article and comments raise some questions which I would like to present to you for your kind consideration.

Pakhtuns are confronted with the blatant jeopardy of punjabization in Pakistan and persianization in Afghanistan.

What evidence do we have to authenticate 'the persianiasation [of Pashtuns] in Afghanistan'? And how do we define this 'persianisation'?

The rulers of Afghanistan ( do not )and did not sincerely wish to retrieve back its territory from Pakistan, It, therefore gave lipservice to Pakhtunistan stunt, instead.

What can we expect from the state of Afghanistan today keeping in view the fragile condition of the state of Afghanistan itself?

The core issue is , as how to harness the Pakhtuns' national might and political sagacity to get a sovereign state where they are not yoked under the supermacy of another segment.

Is a pure Pashtun state, geographically and demographically, possible?

Thanks.

[Dawezai]

Yousafzai saib, please have a look at the following demographic map of Afghanistan and tell us how is it practically possible to divide Afghanistan demographically?

[khyaal]

Pakhtun in Afghanistan is getting a "subdued majority" with the passage of time. National identity and national assertion in a nation-state are pivotal political considerations.World map is being re-defined and new lines on the map are being drawn to get national identity, socio-political power and economic muscles, in the same order.Since the establishment of League of Nations, the map of the World has gone through such changes, in accordance with the national aspiration of different old nations in infant states. It is not the state which needs to be strenghthened and consolidated but the Nation inhabiting it.Majority should not give away or surrender its status to lead, but at the same time should not usurp the rights of sister nationalities. Language is the loudest icon of national character and national culture and should not be neglected. Someone has said that," if you want to subdue a nation, then snatch its language, first."The so-called Pakstani nationhood failed to assimilate the East Bengalis, who ,despite being a majority in united Pakistan, faced the challanges of their rights and language. I'm afraid if someone could have the courage to ask them to forget about every thing and yoke themselves to strenghthen the State.
It was Taimur Shah the son of great Ahmad Shah Baba who turned the table on Afghan/Pakhtun. The later Afghan rulers perpetuated the same policy to cling to the throne. The "cultured" Parsiban aristocracy and bureaucracy took the Afghan elite as virtual hostage and even hijacked the historical appellation of "Afghan", which previously particularized only Pakhtuns. The Afghan/Pakhtun were stubbornly called as "Aksariyat-e-Bayfarhang". Today, with Karzai at the saddle, the Pakhtuns are lacking proper representation matching to their size. Makhdoom Raheen was bold enough to attack the culture of the majority and names of the ministries and department were changed to Dari.The worst was witnessed when hostile protestors dismantled the portrait edifice of great Ahmad Shah Baba and erected the portrait of Ahmad Shah Masud in Ghazi stadium Kabul, which reveals the hidden designs of vested interest to disrobe the Pakhtuns of their due status and standing in Afghanistan. The" Milli Sarod" (National Anthem) of Afghanistan, after the return of Democracy, was hanging for a long time as the minorities refused to accommodate a leading role of the Big Brother to the Pakhtuns.

First of all I’ll try to present a parallel case from Pakistan’s pre-division history where Bengalis had an outright majority and each of the component nations had more population than Muhajir community.

The most outrageous thing that happened in Pakistan was that Urdu, the language of a tiny Muhajir/immigrant minority, was declared as the SOLE official as well as national language of the whole country.

I don’t think any nation would have objected over the status of Urdu language had their national languages also been given the same status in their respective federating units. It was a flagrant violation of the basic rights of other component nations.

What was intriguing in this whole sequel was the role of Punjab which, unlike other component nations who resented this law, warmly accepted the role of Urdu as the sole national and official language. Now this would be a wrong inference if someone would consider it as the subjugation of Punjab and all the other component nations to the Mohajir community because this was not the case with Punjab. Punjabis never cared about their own language and all Punjabi elites willfully and rapidly adopted Urdu not only as the official language but also as language for interpersonal communication even in their homes. The rest of Punjabi population followed that trend. Now majority of Punjabi population speaks Urdu in big cities like Lahore, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Sialkot, Gujrat, Gujranwala etc.

In Pakistan problems faced by Pashtuns are multifaceted. Their status of subjugation is worse as compared to other oppressed nations:

1. Pashtuns are administratively divided into four different zones. These are Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,Attock and Mianwali areas (with a total area of 25000 sq km) forcefully merged in Punjab.
2. The twelve districts of Sothern Pakhtunkhwa merged forcefully in Balochistan and now they are officially regarded as Baloch.
3. Northern areas which historically belong to Pakhtunkhwa are under federal control.
4. The absence of a unified administrative entity for Pashtuns is the most crucial problem we face in Pakistan.
5. Our resources like water, Power, oil and gas, minerals have been seized by Punjab and to utilize those resources large industrial zones have been setup in Punjab.
6. For the last thirty years Pashtun land has been made the center stage of extremism, terrorism and a war zone against their very motherland Afghanistan.
7. Terrorism in strategically important Pashtun land has become a kind of rewarding business for Pakistan.


Now back to Afghanistan:

Pashtuns represents the major ethnic group in Afghanistan.
1. If we look at today’s Afghanistan, Pashto enjoys the status of national as well as official language of Afghanistan.
2. We see that national anthem is in Pashto.
3. The writings on the currency notes are in Pashto.
4. Pashto is the language of educational institutions.
5. Pashto is the language of the parliament.
6. Pashto is the language of official correspondence.
7. Hundreds of books, journals and newspapers are being published in Pashto.

The hyperbole:

The worst thing that happened in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was the strong opposition to rename NWFP from prominent Pashtun politicians like Saifullah brothers from Laki Marwat, Amir Maqam from Shangla, Nighat orakzai from Orakzai Agency. Can we infer from this and generalize it to the degree that Pashtun nation was unhappy over renaming NWFP? If no, then the Ghazi Stadium event was much insignificant as compared to the above mentioned opposition of the political figures in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa since the renaming issue was directly related to the Pashtuns’ national identity in Pakistan.
The Ghazi stadium incident ( if there was any such incident) was caused by mob not lead by any prominent political figure and so it was ignorable and there was no need of such hype and exaggeration of such magnitude to make it a measure of the deep poloarization in afghan society.


But, if on the other hand, we could infer that Pashtun political figures opposition was a significant incident then Ijaz saib is just wasting his time and energy in criticizing Afghan leadership's policies regarding Pashto and pashtuns. He should focus more on the relevant place. The real problem lies just here in our own home thus and making hue and cry over incidents in Ghazi Stadium are futile and tantamount to pushing dirt under the carpet.

To be honest it was under the leadership of Abdul Wali Khan, the then opposition leader in the national assembly, who signed the 1973 constitution without recording any protest or note of dissent and thus ratified Urdu as the official language of NWFP while Sindhi leadership succeeded in winning official status for Sindhi language. Similarly the merger of Attock and Mianwali (the itegral parts of NWFP) in Punjab and the merger of Quetta Commissionerate (with 90% pashtun population) in Balochistan was also ratified by the NAP leadership.

So the root of the problems of Pashtun nation lies right in our own region to the east of the Durand Line rather than searching for scapegoats elsewhere.
Afzal khan lala, is another prominent political figure having ethnocentric ideology, but strangely it was him who was the champion of Swat state’s merger into Pakistan.

[Nokia_Apridy]

IJAZ lala ya khu da Na jora di ya mung

DAI AO MUNGA bakhna ghwaram khu rekhtya ma lkley di

[Dawezai]

In support of Khyaal's ideas, I would like to present the following:

The formation of a pure Pashtunistan is not possible for the following reasons:
1. We will need to break up two states, i.e. Afghanistan and Pakistan, to form Pashtunistan;
2. The upper Afghans would never want to divide Afghanistan due to historical, social and spiritual reasons. Why would the Afghans disintegrate a state that they themselves formed? This has been proven historically as well: thirty years of wars could not disintegrate Afghanistan; the Afghans are not even prepared for a federal structure of the state as they were given the choice both in Bonn Conference and later when the first constituent assembly of Afghanistan was formed but the option was rejected on both occasions;
3. The division of Afghanistan is not possible demographically as the two ethnic groups of Tajiks and Pashtuns are interwoven across all Afghanistan forming a mosaic of ethnicities (please refer to the ethnic map of Afghanistan);
4. In Pashtunkhwa there are other ethnicities like the Hindkowans, Gujars, Wakhis, and Chitralis who cannot be separated from the Pashtuns through a magnetic screening.

Pashtun political struggle must, therefore, address the following:
1. Unite the divided Pashtuns (from Khyber Pashtunkhwa, Baluchistan, and Punjab) into a single province;
2. Demand for the right status of Pashto in the united Pashtun province inside Pakistan;
3. Demand for maximum provincial autonomy within Pakistan;
4. Pressurize Pakistan not to interfere in Afghanistan;
5. Support the international community and Afghan government to bring peace, stability and development to Afghanistan;
6. Once Afghanistan is stable and has the capacity and strength to deal with the Durand Line issue, the Pashtun political movement should support Afghanistan.

The cultural annihilation issue in Afghanistan:
This issue is mostly exaggerated by Pakistani agencies and establishment to create rifts between the ethnic groups of a war ridden Afghanistan. Majority of the population in Kabul are Dari speakers but that does not mean that Pashto cannot be found on the streets and roads of Kabul. There might be a slight linguistic issue as well but that is ignorable and will settle once there is peace and stability in Afghanistan. The unification of the upper and lower Afghans in the state of Afghanistan will not only restore the pride and honour of the Afghans back but will also assure the economic and social development of Afghanistan and of the whole region.

[Dawezai]

Its not slight at all its a really big issue if you visit Kabul. As of now Pashtuns are frowned at in the city of Kabul they consider Pashto to be a fake language.

My opinion is based on live observation and living in Kabul.

Do you also support secularism?

What will I become if I do?

[Dawezai]

Salam Dawezai, Pa khair raghlay PF ta.

Why don't you think its possible? Southern Afghanistan is all crying for a Pashtunistan and what makes you think Northern Pakistan wont side with us?

Manana, Aseer Jaana. Khwaar ma shey.

Please enlighten us on how the Southern Afghanistan want Pashtunistan? Also, have a look at the ethnic map of Afghanistan as a reference to the impossibility of Pashtunistan demographically.

Answer to your second question is Pakistanisation of Pashtunkhwa.

[Dawezai]

By logic,
Southern Afghanistan wants a Pashtunistan because they presently feel discriminated by a minority. Its time for them to demand for an independent state in which Universities are taught in Pashto and demonization is halted.

By logic and law of Afghanistan there is no compulsion on the universities in Southern Afghanistan not to teach in Pashto. In Kabul, however, if the books are in Pashto then the medium of instruction has to be Dari but if the books are in Dari then the medium of instruction would be Pashto. I have been teaching at a university in Kabul and after I deliver the lecture in English, I deliver it in Pashto as well to which many Dari-speaking students have been thankful as they believe they would learn some Pashto as well.

In Afghanistan, support for Pashtunistan can only be found in some parts of Kunarh, Ningarhar and Laghman due to the presence of PSDP and Afghan Millat in these provinces - parties which you can hardly find in other parts of Afghanistan.

I am not familiar with Pakistan but from the looks of Pashtun Forums, Id disagree nearly all the members who are against Pakistan are from Pashtunkhwa, In fact Khyaal calls it occupied Pashtunkhwa.

You will find so many friends from PkMAP calling it 'Occupied Pashtunkhwa' but I was referring to a big majority.

[ijaz yousafzai]

The most outrageous thing that happened in Pakistan was that Urdu, the language of a tiny Muhajir/immigrant minority, was declared as the SOLE official as well as national language of the whole country.

If you hold me as a person who is all out to advocate the policy of Pakistani elite towards the Pakhtuns population in Pakistan, then you are awfully mistaken.I believe that Pakhtuns are presently destined to live within artificial geography in Pakistan, which is not their ultimate fate.The imposition of Urdu, rather the portrayal of Urdu as a sacred "Islamic" lanuage was a blatant high-handedness by the then leadership of Pakistan represented by Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan.Bengalis sternly opposed it which gave rise to the eruption of severe language riots in 1952. This was ,in fact the beginning of the end in East Bengal, which culminated in the emergence Of Bangladesh.

What was intriguing in this whole sequel was the role of Punjab which, unlike other component nations who resented this law, warmly accepted the role of Urdu as the sole national and official language. Now this would be a wrong inference if someone would consider it as the subjugation of Punjab and all the other component nations to the Mohajir community because this was not the case with Punjab. Punjabis never cared about their own language and all Punjabi elites willfully and rapidly adopted Urdu not only as the official language but also as language for interpersonal communication even in their homes. The rest of Punjabi population followed that trend. Now majority of Punjabi population speaks Urdu in big cities like Lahore, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Sialkot, Gujrat, Gujranwala etc.

Punjabis did not object to the elevation of Urdu as a national and official language, as Urdu almost resembles Punjabi in character and, (2) the Punjabis lacked national fervor to feel it, as they were driven by the so-called " ideology of Pakistan". They also belived in the unitary character of Pakistan and supported a "strong centre", for which Urdu could play a role.It will not be out of place to mention that the Mohajir-Punjabi confedracy constituted the ruling elite of the infant Pakistan and they were, therefore hand in glove.

In Pakistan problems faced by pastuns are multilfaceted. Their status of subjugation is worse as compared to other oppressed nations:

1. Pashtuns are administratively divided into four different zones. These are Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,Attock and Mianwali areas (with a total area of 25000 sq km) forcefully merged in Punjab.
2. The twelve districts of Sothern Pakhtunkhwa merged forcefully in Balochistan and now they are officially regarded as Baloch.
3. Northern areas which historically belong to Pakhtunkhwa are under federal control.
4. The absence of a unified administrative entity for Pashtuns is the most crucial problem we face in Pakistan.
5. Our resources like water, Power, oil and gas, minerals have been seized by Punjab and to utilize those resources large industrial zones have been setup in Punjab.
6. For the last thirty years Pashtun land has been made the center stage of extremism, terrorism and a war zone against their very motherland Afghanistan.
7. Terrorism in strategically important Pashtun land has become a kind of rewarding business for Pakistan.

The Pakhtuns have been fragmented in various compartments of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, FATA, PATA, Balochistan and Afghanistan under a hatched conspiracy. If they are amalgamated in one geography then they may emerge as a big power of the region. The political and geographical unity of Pakhtun is the urgent cry of the time. This political goal is hanging in the dolldrum, as Pakhtuns are lacking political unison and aspiration. There is not a single Pakhtun nationalist political party in Afghanistan and the weak Pakhtun nationalist parties in the Pakhtun belt of Pakistan, are engaged merely in the lust for power. The greatest malady afflicting Pakhtun nation is the unfortunate femine of true leadership. They are being swept in Balochistan by the strong Baloch nationalism and formidable Baloch leadership. In Afghanistan, they are not only lacking leadership and long term political goal but they also have cultural and educational impediments. They are slowly being swallowed by the quagmire of "Parsiban culture". Punjabis and Parsibans are the usurpers of Pakhtun national interest on both sides of the Durand line. At the time when Pakhtunland has become the arena of the global war, it desperately needs true Pakhtun leadership and clear Pakhtun political vision. The political and geographical unification of the Pakhtuns is a dire need of the time.

Pashtuns represents the major ethnic group in Afghanistan.
1. If we look at today’s Afghanistan, Pashto enjoys the status of national as well as official language of Afghanistan.
2. We see that national anthem is in Pashto.
3. The writings on the currency notes are in Pashto.
4. Pashto is the language of educational institutions.
5. Pashto is the language of the parliament.
6. Pashto is the language of official correspondence.
7. Hundreds of books, journals and newspapers are being published in Pashto.

Pakhtuns are in a brute majority in Afghanistan and besides Pakhtun dynasties have been ruling Afghanistan since 1747. It is but a harsh fact that Pakhtuns could not consolidate their national and cultural supremacy in Afghanistan despite their brute majority and long Pakhtun rule. Pashto is a so-called national language which is practically subservient to Dari which is the language of the minorities on the anology of Karachiwaal Mahajirs. The language of education is Parsi beyond any doubt and official business is being carried out in this language. The national anthem is stranded in a row of Parsiban chauvinism in a country where Pakhtuns enjoy absolute majority. King Zahir Shah introduced only a few army commands in Pashto to appease the Pakhtun population and similar eyewashes have been made for the so-called promotion of Pashto in different times. The state-run electronic media presents a true spectacle of lingual and cultural hegemony of the language of the minorities. Shamshad and Lamar tv are private chanels which are only showing Pashto language and Pakhtun culture.

The rest of your observations will be discussed later on.

[lalala]

Lalala

If you are cool with ''Persianization' than why are you against Desification/Punjabification? What's the difference ?

did i say i was “cool” with “persianization? i said that what you call “persianization” is simply a part of Afghan culture to which Pashtuns are an integral part. Pashtuns make up the culture as much as the other people that have lived there throughout its history

and if you cannot understand what the difference is between what you call “persianization” a stupid term btw and the influence of some desi foreigner with who we do not share cultural and ethnic ties than you are an idiot and from the looks of most of your posts a desi trying to impose yourself on Afghans.

it is in your interests to make inflamitory comments and attempt to create hysteria over such non issues as “persianization” since this is the punjabis method of trying to create civil strife amongst Afghans. please don't worry about "persianization" of Afghans, instead why don't you go worry about attending to your disintegrating phony punjabi homeland

…

I'd like to start off by asking Is it true that Pashto is frowned at in Kabul and that Pashtuns are considered a joke along with a few other inappropriate words?


And you forgot to add Helmand and Kandahar who are both sick and tired of the current state and they are demanding for an independent home-land. I have travelled and met with these people.

*Jasmine

no it is not true, in Afghanistan people are busy rebuilding their lives, they do not have access to media to sit and be hysterical over punjabi propaganda
then there is also the fact that you will find a Pashtun cousin, uncle, aunt, grandmother, etc in the line of every so called Tajik in Kabul
though i’m sure it’s in your interest, your declarations on Afghans “demanding an independent homeland” is beyond imbecilic. are you aware of the history of Afg? do you know it was formed as a homeland for Pashtuns hence it’s name- Afghan-i-stan? so your saying it here does not make it so whatever pseudo intellectual you used as the source for such a sweeping declaration

Guys when she says Punjabi she does not mean the ordinary Punjabis she is talking about the Pakistani elite.

a punjabi is a punjabi, clearly they are all concerned in their own interests whether they are “elite” or not and clearly they are poisonous to the Afghan people and the Afghan state not only politically but culturally

[lalala]

3. Demand for maximum provincial autonomy within Pakistan;
4. Pressurize Pakistan not to interfere in Afghanistan;
5. Support the international community and Afghan government to bring peace, stability and development to Afghanistan;

if you think some five faced punjabi will ever grant such things you have not yet learned the double dealing face of the punjabi
a punjabi only exists at the expense of others, even their very state is situated on the homes of others

Its not slight at all its a really big issue if you visit Kabul. As of now Pashtuns are frowned at in the city of Kabul they consider Pashto to be a fake language.

Do you also support secularism?

maybe it was just you? since punjabis have invited arabs to spread wahabi madness many people throughout muslim majority nations have low tolerance for non muslims such as yourself

did someone look at you funny on a Kabul street that have now come to this conclusion? lol

even more likely, i bet you've never even been to kabul but heard this through the grapevine