Chechens/Dagestanis?

[Karachi]

Do groups like Chechens/Dagestanis etc.. in the Caucasus region share any relations with groups like Pashtuns, Nuristanis, Kalash, Pamiries etc?

A lot of cultural/language/looks seem similar between these regions

[Kushan Prince]

Nope.

Chechens belong to the J2 halogroup which originated in the Middle East while Pashtuns belong to R1A halogroup which originated in Central Asia. One theory for the Chechens are that they came from the fertile crecent and moved into the caucssus. Although I am not sure how factual that part is.

The only thing we share with them is religon and that's it.

[HalloIsBack]

dagestanis are not an ethnic group
dagestan has got lots of ethnic groups
Dagestan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Karachi]

Nope.

Chechens belong to the J2 halogroup which originated in the Middle East while Pashtuns belong to R1A halogroup which originated in Central Asia. One theory for the Chechens are that they came from the fertile crecent and moved into the caucssus. Although I am not sure how factual that part is.

The only thing we share with them is religon and that's it.

the break up of genetics is showing affinity though, for example there is one pashtun on Harrapa ancestry project and his Caucasian (Caucasus) component is at 25%. most pashtuns show this component at 17-20% range, which is still very high. I think there is relation between the two, perhaps an ancient one or a recent one, not sure

[Bannuchi]

By culture, the Muslim Caucasians (Chechens, Avars, etc.) are similar to us.

By language similarity, Ossetes are similar to us because their language descended from Scythian like Pashto did. To a lesser extent, Armenians are also related.

By genetics, the Caucasians are very different from the Pashtuns, there is no close relationship.

Because of Scythians' assimilation into Early Slavs, it's the modern Russians who share much more closer genealogical relationship with the Pashtuns despite the greater distance than the Caucasians do.

[Tjanaparh]

No, they are not related. Specially linguistically they are very different.
There are some historical interconections between Georgians and Lezgins that were sent to fight in Afghanistan by Persians, but that is all.
Chechens have similarly to Afghans a tribal structure, what makes them similar in the social organization, also a casual similarity is that many older peiple follow a kind of national code, that even not being same as Pashtunwali has a similar sense. But culturally still they are different.
Daghestanis are divided in 5 major groups that are even distinct one from the other, Avars among them are somehow closer to chechens, while south Daghstan is very distinct. However linguistically i don't hink they have anything in common except some cmomon Persian borrowings.
Alans, that partly formed the Ossetians had quiet much in common with Pashtuns, they were known as best warriors that came to the caucasus(but aren't Caucasians). During the centuries things changed a lot, but still from my Pamirian friend i know that there are close ties of traditions among Ossetians and Pamirians.

[Karachi]

^ in ancient times perhaps there was relation, but with time of course populations get influenced by different things, Pashtun/Afghans because they have been muslims for so long, might have been heavily influenced by middle eastern culture to a great degree

however if you look at the customs/culture of lets say Kalash or Pamiri groups, for an outside observer there seems to be large similarities with groups west of Caspian Sea. Perhaps it is because of ancient Indo/Iranian, Indo European, Scythians connections, not really sure

[Kushan Prince]

^ in ancient times perhaps there was relation, but with time of course populations get influenced by different things, Pashtun/Afghans because they have been muslims for so long, might have been heavily influenced by middle eastern culture to a great degree

however if you look at the customs/culture of lets say Kalash or Pamiri groups, for an outside observer there seems to be large similarities with groups west of Caspian Sea. Perhaps it is because of ancient Indo/Iranian, Indo European, Scythians connections, not really sure

Like I said they are not related at all. Also historians themselves say that pashtun culture is pure and has very little outside influence. So saying they have have been influenced by middle eastern culture is obsurbed and ludicrous. We can assume stuff like "might" Karachi. Those are just assumptions that need a great degree of proof and research. And the Ossetians are practicly Pakhtuns who came and settled in the caucsaus during Scythian times.

[Tjanaparh]

Karachi, on which populations do You refer?
I don't think Kalash have much in common with Nakh-Daghestani speakers.
Which costums? And linguistically which language?

Nakh-daghestani languages are known for their consonantism, some have borrowings from Persiand, some may really be related to indoeuropeans(like the Avar), but for the rest they are different. The male figure and role is quet distinct in peoples from Kartvelian , Nakh-Daghestani and Circassian background.

Caucasian culture is based on pure individualism, this individualism is so strong, that for an enemy it was too easy to put one against the other. The individualism is also characteristic for caucasian dances, that are real single dances, while Attan, Simd or Yarkhushta are more group dances.
Things in common may be the "Vegnance", but vegnance was once very spread.
Things in common is the tribal structure of chechens, but once almost everyone had a tribal structure, only that many abadndoned it with the coming of religions.
Chechens are quiet new converts to Islam, that is why they are very active and easily fanatized.
Preislamic and prechistian culture shares distinct lifestyles, that had also much in common.

Lezgic nations were influenced by Persians and Armenians, and on the other hand influenced Armenians too.
They were also tribal, but than their tribes formed like micronations.
Siince the region was described the Aghvan tribal division existed and exists till now under names like Udin, Lezgin, Agul, Rutul, Tsakhur, Tabasarani..

[Bannuchi]

If there are strong similarities between the culture and tribal organizations of the Pashtuns/other native Afghans with the Chechens/Avars/other native Caucasians, it's probably because they preserved the same culture from the Stone Age times. They had been living together first in Africa and then in Central Asia until around ~40,000 BCE when climate improved in Western Eurasia and human populations started to move from Central Asia to Western Eurasia, and colonized regions formerly occupied by neanderthals.

The Ossetians are of course an exception, there similarity with the Pashtuns is because the Ossetians were Aryans and still speak a Scythian language.

[یاسمینه]

There are many similarities between Pashtuns and Chechens. One of them is that both Pashtuns and Chechens have their code of conduct, its rules are followed. As I remember, Chechens, like Pashtuns, also have a habit of collecting bodies of their warriors from a battlefield, or exchange prisioners for bodies of their people who were killed. If you have time, you can google nokhchalla to know more about Chechen code of honor.
In a few days I will upload a book about Chechen culture.

[Al Hanif]

So do the Baloch people with their Baluchmayar and the Kurds with their Kurde-warî.

All these "codes of honor" defend "honor killings", hence why you often see these countries making up the news headlines of junky newspapers.

[Tjanaparh]

We had same type of honor codes, also many things change. Still vegnance was considerated as just. But not the eye for eye vegnance, but that a bad doer has to be punished. Many Armenian children are called Vrezh(vegnance).
Intrestingly we have also the name Badal(but i actually don't know what it means and if it has any connection with pashto badal), i always thaught its a turkish name, because azeris have it too.

[Badlun]

One common factor I found is that both are influenced and suffering by Wahabism, Salafism, extremism and tendency towards terrorism. Both are emotional and unstable people and easily influenced by foreign propaganda and are fanatics to achieve their religious pursuits.

[یاسمینه]

We had same type of honor codes, also many things change. Still vegnance was considerated as just. But not the eye for eye vegnance, but that a bad doer has to be punished. Many Armenian children are called Vrezh(vegnance).
Intrestingly we have also the name Badal(but i actually don't know what it means and if it has any connection with pashto badal), i always thaught its a turkish name, because azeris have it too.

Badal is an Arabic word and its meaning is to exchange, to substitute, to (re)compensate; recompense, compense, exchange...
If it comes to Pashto meaning of revenge, vengeance, there is the verb badal akhistel.
The noun badal forms also several other compound verbs.