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  • Origins of Pashtun people.

    Hi, this is my first actual thread on Pashtun Forums.

    As we all know, the exact origins of the Pashtun people are shrouded in mystery. We can date the written recorded history of the Pashtun people back to about 8th century AD. Some Pashtun folklore itself suggests that the original Pashtun ancestors originated in the Arabian Peninsula, but we know that this is not the case. Pashtuns are an Iranian people, who speak an eastern Iranian language. Pashtuns are part of the greater Iranian race which includes other people's such as Persians, Kurds, Lors, Azeris, Baloch, Tajiks/Pamirs.

    A plausible theory, which I seem to think is logical is that Pashtuns originated in the western to North Western Afghanistan regions (known as Khorasan am I right?) and were originally known as the Bactrians. Thus, this theory suggests that the ancestors of the modern day Pashtun people were the ancient Bactrians, who spoke the now extinct Bactrian language. There is some credibility to this theory as the Abdalians (large Pashtun tribe) are also known to be native to this region. Moreover, some linguists have suggested that the Pashto language directly descends from ancient Bactrian and Avestan. So this is a possibility.

    Another reason why this theory seems logical to me, is that a large part of the region as far as mid eastern Afghanistan was actually inhabited by various Indic tribes till the 7-8th century AD. The ancient Hindu epic tale Mahabharata talks about the Kuru Kingdom which had one of its most crucial military bases all the way up to Kandahar! Moreover, the Eastern half of current day Afghanistan was ruled by a Dynasty of Hindu Kings known as Shahi, the last of which named Jayapal was driven out of Kabul by Mahmud Ghazni. Therefore, a large part of Eastern Afghanistan was inhabited by Indic tribes who followed Hinduism and were clearly not Pashtuns. It is possible that Pashtun migration from Western Afghanistan began to take place around 7th century AD and large numbers of Pashtun tribes began to settle in the East.

    However, this theory falls apart when we bring into the picture the tribe known as the Afridis. Afridis, a major Pashtun tribe have always been native to the Khyber region since Antiquity, even mentioned by the Father of History itself, Herodotus.

    What do you guys think?

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    I think some pashtun may have been bactrians but I don't believe we all came from one set origin, I think we were a variety of peoples who eventually merged together to be called pashtuns
    Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun
    I still remember those pieces of garbage asking US presidents, when they visit, stuff like "why can't we (India) teach them (Pakistan) a lesson?". Morr kus de ughaym.. f*cking indiot garbage. I f*cking hate them so f*cking much. Afkoonis jumping on indiot d*ck is f*cking annoying too.

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    • #3
      Exactly what I have been saying. Bactrian was the closest language to Pashto along with Avestan.
      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

      -Old Pashtun proverb




      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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      • #4
        According to most reliable sources Bacteria was the first permanent homeland of Indo-Iranians which includes ancestors of Pashtuns, pamiris, Persians, Tajiks etc. When the population increased different groups went in different direction in search of fertile land. So the proto Pashtuns moved south, Persians west and pamiris to the east. In their migration southward and eastward proto Pashtuns came in contact with other people who were already settled there and intermingled with them. These ancestors of modern pashtuns also intermingled and absorbed later people who migrated south such as hephtalites and other indo-Iranian tribes such as sakas. Thus modern pashtuns are mainly indo-iranian people who speak an indo-Iranian language.

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        • #5
          So are you saying that these proto Pashtuns actually intermingled with these Indic people who lived in the east? Because Pashtuns actually don't resemble any Indic people. They look pretty similar to Tajiks/Pamirs who pretty much had non existent intermingling with Indic tribes.
          This is unlike the Baloch, who although an Iranian people definitely have some Indic ancestry. At least some tribes, those of which that are settled in Sindh, Punjab and the outskirts of Balochistan.

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          • #6
            ^ i dont think there were any indic looking people present in afghanistan or pashtun areas, by indic I mean punjabi or north indian. yes there were buddhists and hindus in those areas before, but they most likely resembled the present day populations of the areas like pashtuns, kalash, nuristanis etc...

            a good example would be the kapoor family of bollywood, who were from Peshawar and dont really resemble typical (Indid) look, yet still are hindus
            Last edited by Karachi; 04-05-2013, 03:58 PM.

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            • #7
              Interesting

              Controversies in History: Pashtun

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                ^ i dont think there were any indic looking people present in afghanistan or pashtun areas, by indic I mean punjabi or north indian. yes there were buddhists and hindus in those areas before, but they most likely resembled the present day populations of the areas like pashtuns, kalash, nuristanis etc...

                a good example would be the kapoor family of bollywood, who were from Peshawar and dont really resemble typical (Indid) look, yet still are hindus
                Most of the afghans that have migrated to India have assimilated and are more indic culturally and otherwise.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  Most of the afghans that have migrated to India have assimilated and are more indic culturally and otherwise.
                  My ancestors migrated to India a while ago but came back to Afghanistan, but by no means have we assimilated.
                  Yama Pukhtoon da Pukhtano sara zam.

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                  • #10
                    ^^I said most, not all. I meet so many indians that claim their roots or grandelders came from afghanistan.
                    Last edited by khushal; 04-12-2013, 08:24 AM.

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