Genghis Khan Fate in Afghanistan (?)

[shamla12]

Salaam,

I was wondering if anyone knows what the fate of Genghis Khan and the Mongol hordes was in (what is now) Afghanistan.

Were Afghans conquered by him? According to 1 source I read, apparently they were, yet in the Pashtun historical memory, a widespread belief exists that Genghis conquered many but he failed in Afghanistan. The latter seems more probable to me given that his hordes converted to Islam and were allowed to settle, eventually becoming menial laborers and slaves.

[Kushan Prince]

Genghis Khan did invade Afghanistan. At the time, Present day Afghanistan was part of the Khwarezmian Empire. The reason he attacked Afghanistan was because the empire did not want to be allies with the Khwarezmian empire and this angered Genghis so he went on to attack parwan, also known as the "Battle of Parwan". Jalal-ad-Din, the emperor at the time gathered 60,00 afghan tribal warriors to fight the attacking mongols. The mongols were under the command of Shikhikhutug, one of Genghis khan's most trusted commanders to carry out the mission. The mongols were defeated and this was the first and only defeat of Genghis khan in his lifetime and probably even for the mongols according to sources. After this, an enraged Genghis chased Jalal into India causing the Indus river war. So no we afghans were never under the control of the mongols. Afghanistan has always been an independent region throughout history.

[shamla12]

Thanks for sharing, wror.

According to the source I read, it states that Genghis Khan conquered and destroyed as he went through Afghanistan and it wasn't until his death that some Afghan chiefs gained independence, while others were still under Mongol rule. Also, it states that in the 14th centurry, Tamerlane, a Turkmen Mongol conquered "a large part of the country" as part of his empire.

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What do you make of that? lol

[Kushan Prince]

Thanks for sharing, wror.

According to the source I read, it states that Genghis Khan conquered and destroyed as he went through Afghanistan and it wasn't until his death that some Afghan chiefs gained independence, while others were still under Mongol rule. Also, it states that in the 14th centurry, Tamerlane, a Turkmen Mongol conquered "a large part of the country" as part of his empire.

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What do you make of that? lol

It is true that Genghis Khan came into Afghanistan and slaughtered half the population. however I don't believe that afghan chiefs gained independent after his death. at the time, Afghanistan was a region with tribal chiefs controlling different parts of the country. Some chiefs made negotiations with invaders which would cause sources to say this.However this was very rare. It wasn't until the Durrani empire that the Ahmad Shah abdali unified all the pashtun tribes and unified Afghanistan. As for Timur, he was just a turckified mongol who's vision it was to restore the mongol empire once formed by Genghis khan. However he was not a descendant of Genghis himself, but all the lands he invaded, the people expected him as just another mongol invader. He had killed a quiet a lot of people in balkh in present day Afghanistan. however, most of his killing and ruling was in India, in which later his descendants would come and form the mughal empire. despite calling himself a "strong muslim" he massacred a lot of people and was responsible of the decreation of 5% of the world's population.


I have a big interest and knowledge in history. Hope I helped.

[shamla12]

It is true that Genghis Khan came into Afghanistan and slaughtered half the population. however I don't believe that afghan chiefs gained independent after his death. at the time, Afghanistan was a region with tribal chiefs controlling different parts of the country. Some chiefs made negotiations with invaders which would cause sources to say this.However this was very rare. It wasn't until the Durrani empire that the Ahmad Shah abdali unified all the pashtun tribes and unified Afghanistan. As for Timur, he was just a turckified mongol who's vision it was to restore the mongol empire once formed by Genghis khan. However he was not a descendant of Genghis himself, but all the lands he invaded, the people expected him as just another mongol invader. He had killed a quiet a lot of people in balkh in present day Afghanistan. however, most of his killing and ruling was in India, in which later his descendants would come and form the mughal empire. despite calling himself a "strong muslim" he massacred a lot of people and was responsible of the decreation of 5% of the world's population.


I have a big interest and knowledge in history. Hope I helped.

Yeah, you are pretty knowledgeable masha'Allah.

So did Tamerlane conquer Afghans? lol

[Kushan Prince]

Yeah, you are pretty knowledgeable masha'Allah.

So did Tamerlane conquer Afghans? lol

In short words, Yes. He conquered the afghan LANDS, but he did not win the hearts of the afghan people' who's land he controlled. He only controlled half of Afghanistan not all of it. Most of these parts are/were balkh, Samarkand, kunduz which are all in the north.

[shamla12]

In short words, Yes. He conquered the afghan LANDS, but he did not win the hearts of the afghan people' who's land he controlled. He only controlled half of Afghanistan not all of it. Most of these parts are/were balkh, Samarkand, kunduz which are all in the north.

Interesting. Do you recommend any good sources on the subject?

Thanks for your help wror.

[torkham]

Fascinating leads in the obscure. The hazaar mongols ramapaged middle east and western regions, and like the fast waters of mighty river crawl reaching a delta, the mongols ran out of energy and scattered and grounded in northern Afghanistan and its central plateau, to a halting menial subsistence. Plausible scenario given the adverse topography and the unrelenting hostile locals; your ancestors.

[asad71]

1. Jalaluddin was a brave and great military commander of his time. All his life was spent fighting various groups - mainly the Mongols.

2. It is said, pressed by Chnagez Khan Jalaluddin reached the R Indus at a point some miles below Attock. There the current in the river is extremely fast and turbulant. The river at this point becomes narrow with steep - almost vertical banks rising very high. Jalaluddin reached this point, and still mounted on his horse, flung into the river below. When Mongol archers were aiming to shoot their arrows at him, Changez Khan stopped them saying, "Let him go. Praise be the mother who has given birth to such a brave son".

3. This place has therefater been named Ghora Tarap on the western bank.

[Mystique]

If anyone is interested in genetics than read this paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...eport=abstract

Genghis Khan apparently had many children, as well as his close male relatives. The paper estimates that there are over 16 million men in the world that are carrying his Y-chromosome lineage (0.5% of the world population). The paper gives a map of the areas where Genghis Khan's genes have a linkage to.

[Shahidulla]

Genghis Khan did invade Afghanistan. At the time, Present day Afghanistan was part of the Khwarezmian Empire. The reason he attacked Afghanistan was because the empire did not want to be allies with the Khwarezmian empire and this angered Genghis so he went on to attack parwan, also known as the "Battle of Parwan". Jalal-ad-Din, the emperor at the time gathered 60,00 afghan tribal warriors to fight the attacking mongols. The mongols were under the command of Shikhikhutug, one of Genghis khan's most trusted commanders to carry out the mission. The mongols were defeated and this was the first and only defeat of Genghis khan in his lifetime and probably even for the mongols according to sources. After this, an enraged Genghis chased Jalal into India causing the Indus river war. So no we afghans were never under the control of the mongols. Afghanistan has always been an independent region throughout history.

I agree but how do you know afghanistan was never conquered.
Because i readed that alexander the great did conquer afghanistan but the resistance never stopped.

[khushal]

I agree but how do you know afghanistan was never conquered.
Because i readed that alexander the great did conquer afghanistan but the resistance never stopped.

conquerring is when people no longer want to resist. Its when they welcome you with flowers instead of guns.

[khushal]

If anyone is interested in genetics than read this paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...eport=abstract

Genghis Khan apparently had many children, as well as his close male relatives. The paper estimates that there are over 16 million men in the world that are carrying his Y-chromosome lineage (0.5% of the world population). The paper gives a map of the areas where Genghis Khan's genes have a linkage to.

I think 1/4 of the Hazaras in Afghanistan are directly linked to his Y chromosome

[Shahidulla]

conquerring is when people no longer want to resist. Its when they welcome you with flowers instead of guns.

its actually how you define conquer:

1. to take control of a country or city and its people by force:
2. to defeat somebody, especially in a competition, race, etc:
3. to succeed in dealing with or controlling something:
4. to become very popular or successful in a place:

I don't think afghans welcomed them with flowers either.

[Mystique]

I think 1/4 of the Hazaras in Afghanistan are directly linked to his Y chromosome

The same goes for the Hazara refugees in Quetta. Genghis Khan was a psycho. Not only was he a murderer and a chauvinistic creep but he also raped alot of women along with his close male relatives. It's no wonder haplotypes of his Y chromosome is spread throughout the world.