Afghanistan The Graveyard Of Empires?

[JattApache]

Just because we dont bow down to the likes of you doesnt mean that we automatically presume we are superior to you.

you need to look up these words: Invading, invaded, conquering, conquered.

If the Pashtuns were conquered by the Arabs then how come we dont speak Arabic today? they conquered Afghanistan with Islam which is not Arab but universal, Islam is not an Arab religion which is where you are mistaken.

But yeah maybe Afghanistan has been conquered, so what your mistaken if you think we are going to forget the fac
t that numerous super powers have still been DEFEATED that no other country or people have been able to, its an achievement whichever way you look at it so good luck with your work on making Afghans forget their history because it will never happen bhai saab.

That is not what I want.
Arabs conquered afghanistan. There are many arabic words in pashto, majority of afghan's names are from arabic roots
Even soldat_amir have an arab name :lol:
You will say that it's muslim names, certainly, but from arab roots, for the majority of them.
Pakistan conquered the afghans in khyber pakhtunkhwa, Luffy, havizsultan, shahbaz khan represent pakistani pashtuns, they follow the punjabi ideology. Punjabis desi conquered pakhtunkhwa
Qaumi tarana is their anthem, they were conquered, pashto from peshawar have so many urdu words.

[khushal]

Afghanistan - The Graveyard of Empires Part -1 - YouTube

I just saw the documentary. One thing that the documentary fails to mentions is that there was a secrete agreement between the Brits and the Russians that neither side was going to enter Afghanistan and it would be the Buffer. Before the First British invasion, the ill equipped Afghans had fought a war with the British equipped Persians on which the Afghans defeated the Persians. This made the Brits more paranoid and nervous and thought the Russians had already entered or had strong influence in Afghanistan and thought the Russians assisted the Afghans in the war with the Persians which led them to invade Afghanistan to protect their prized asset, India, from the Russian.

[IamDZJ]

Afghans have been conquered by stupidity and jahalat. Over come that. History is not just for bragging about. One has to also keep in mind not to repeat the same mistakes made in the past. What have afghans achieve in the last 100 years?? The world progressed, we started fighting amongst ourselves and destroying the country with assistance from others.

[khushal]

That is not what I want.
Arabs conquered afghanistan. There are many arabic words in pashto, majority of afghan's names are from arabic roots
Even soldat_amir have an arab name :lol:
You will say that it's muslim names, certainly, but from arab roots, for the majority of them.
Pakistan conquered the afghans in khyber pakhtunkhwa, Luffy, havizsultan, shahbaz khan represent pakistani pashtuns, they follow the punjabi ideology. Punjabis desi conquered pakhtunkhwa
Qaumi tarana is their anthem, they were conquered, pashto from peshawar have so many urdu words.

Urdu is not a Panjabi language. Pakistan did not conquer KP. Pakistan was a creation of the Brits. Pakistan havent even conquered itself. It was created to counter balance and prevent another Moghul Empire or something like it from rising again.

[khushal]

Afghans har been conquered by stupidity and jahalat. Over come that. History is not just for bragging about. One has to also keep in mind not to repeat the same mistakes made in the past. What have afghans achieve in the last 100 years?? The world progressed, we started fighting amongst ourselves and destroying the country with assistance from others.

have you overcame it?

Afghanistans progress was hindered by your commies jahilyat.

[khushal]

Have Afghans defeated the former USSR alone? There was no USA, NATO, Saudi, Europe, Pakistan and others? And what we got at the result? Taliban,drugs, terrorism, violence and more war.

If really there is a defeat then do you think today only Afghans are defeating USA ? And what we will get at the result? The same vicious circle.

Be realistic. Lets think and plan for democracy, development and modernism , the only way for prosperity and well being of our people. Forget about this false ideas of grandeur.

Yes and those central Asians states like Tajikistan are any better. There biggest exports are mail order brides to the west. Even the Armenian PF member Arvapasht admits that Armenia is worse off than Afghanistan.

Lets forget Afghan history and forget that afghans have a culture of fierce independence and will get violent with any invader. Lets brainwash all those illiterate afghans in those mountains that they are submissive people and they should accept what we tell them. Let me know when you make this magical device that can accomplish such a fantasy. That will solve the problem.

[IamDZJ]

have you overcame it?

Afghanistans progress was hindered by your commies jahilyat.

Don't divert attention from the issue by asking stupid pointless questions. None of you were born this selfish vain and blind to recognizing your faults. You are this way because your forefathers over celebrated their victory and lost their sight of reality over time. Perhaps mine too.. These warlords, Taliban and the rest of these thugs were not dropped at Afghanistan from the sky. That's how they happened. And while some did learn from these mistakes and moved on, the rest are still stuck and it's the mistakes of those that every single afghan is paying for today. These warlords are no body else but the parents of people like you and the way that you think and the approach that you have towards the rest of humanity is the evidence for it. That is how you happened.

[JattApache]

Urdu is not a Panjabi language. Pakistan did not conquer KP. Pakistan was a creation of the Brits. Pakistan havent even conquered itself. It was created to counter balance and prevent another Moghul Empire or something like it from rising again.

Urdu is a hindustani language, like punjabi and close to punjabi.
The " nation " of pakistan conquered the hearts of pashtuns living in pakhtunkhwa, they consider themselves pakistanis and not afghans
They were brainwashed by the pakistani educationnal system, they were conquered like that.

Arabs conquered afghanistan. There are many arabic words in pashto, majority of afghan's names are from arabic roots
Even soldat_amir have an arab name :lol:
You will say that it's muslim names, certainly, but from arab roots, for the majority of them.

[Manzareh]

Urdu is a hindustani language, like punjabi and close to punjabi.
The " nation " of pakistan conquered the hearts of pashtuns living in pakhtunkhwa, they consider themselves pakistanis and not afghans
They were brainwashed by the pakistani educationnal system, they were conquered like that.

So we have a Hindu Indian speaking for Pashtuns now lol, get over yourself you know nothing, take a look at this group almost every pashtun from 'pakistan' calls himself an Afghan including the mods, even pathetic soldat doesnt call himself a Pakistani.. saying that though, AGAIN you are confused! Pakistan is not a race, pashtuns is a race, it doesnt make sence to say Pashtuns as a race have been conquared by a nationality

conquered by an educational system? so by your logic you are conquered by the west. again you have no leg stand on, your justifications are all nothing more than desperate attempts.

[Manzareh]

That is not what I want.
Arabs conquered afghanistan. There are many arabic words in pashto, majority of afghan's names are from arabic roots
Even soldat_amir have an arab name :lol:
You will say that it's muslim names, certainly, but from arab roots, for the majority of them.
Pakistan conquered the afghans in khyber pakhtunkhwa, Luffy, havizsultan, shahbaz khan represent pakistani pashtuns, they follow the punjabi ideology. Punjabis desi conquered pakhtunkhwa
Qaumi tarana is their anthem, they were conquered, pashto from peshawar have so many urdu words.

you take the word INFLUENCE as CONQUERED, all you indians exaggerate things, calm down this isnt a bollywood movie.

Yes Pashtuns as Muslims have been Influenced by Muslim names, when we have names like Muhammad its not because its Arab roots but because of its religious background the same with Khaled,Yusuf,Ebraheem,Idris etc etc etc..you get it???

Shahbaz Khan and co all say "we are pashtuns" whats your point? none of them say "we are punjabi" they have been influenced by Pakistani nationalism, you as an Indian are a rival to Pakistan hence your distaste for them. incase you havnt noticed the place where pashtuns live in Pakistan is called khyber PASHTUNkhwa meaning LAND OF THE PASHTUNS, another desperate attempt.

some more homework for you: 1)INFLUENCE 2)CONQUERED

[JattApache]

So we have a Hindu Indian speaking for Pashtuns now lol, get over yourself you know nothing, take a look at this group almost every pashtun from 'pakistan' calls himself an Afghan including the mods, even pathetic soldat doesnt call himself a Pakistani.. saying that though, AGAIN you are confused! Pakistan is not a race, pashtuns is a race, it doesnt make sence to say Pashtuns as a race have been conquared by a nationality

conquered by an educational system? so by your logic you are conquered by the west. again you have no leg stand on, your justifications are all nothing more than desperate attempts.

I don't need to be a pakistani pashtun to know their opinion, einstein, you can just ask them what do they think of afghanistan , you will get your answer..

[JattApache]

you take the word INFLUENCE as CONQUERED, all you indians exaggerate things, calm down this isnt a bollywood movie.

Yes Pashtuns as Muslims have been Influenced by Muslim names, when we have names like Muhammad its not because its Arab roots but because of its religious background the same with Khaled,Yusuf,Ebraheem,Idris etc etc etc..you get it???

Shahbaz Khan and co all say "we are pashtuns" whats your point? none of them say "we are punjabi" they have been influenced by Pakistani nationalism, you as an Indian are a rival to Pakistan hence your distaste for them. incase you havnt noticed the place where pashtuns live in Pakistan is called khyber PASHTUNkhwa meaning LAND OF THE PASHTUNS, another desperate attempt.

some more homework for you: 1)INFLUENCE 2)CONQUERED

In the sense of " (tr) to gain the love, sympathy, etc., of (someone) by seduction or force of personality

They were influenced And conquered, because i talk with many of them, they hate afghanistan, it's not invented or new, they have chosen pakistan. The hindkowans or pathans of punjab are a perfect example of that.

[Karachi]

In the sense of " (tr) to gain the love, sympathy, etc., of (someone) by seduction or force of personality

They were influenced And conquered, because i talk with many of them, they hate afghanistan, it's not invented or new, they have chosen pakistan. The hindkowans or pathans of punjab are a perfect example of that.

stop speaking from your behind, I think you are drinking too much sardarji

[Toramana]

So we have a Hindu Indian speaking for Pashtuns now lol, get over yourself you know nothing, take a look at this group almost every pashtun from 'pakistan' calls himself an Afghan including the mods, even pathetic soldat doesnt call himself a Pakistani.. saying that though, AGAIN you are confused! Pakistan is not a race, pashtuns is a race, it doesnt make sence to say Pashtuns as a race have been conquared by a nationality

conquered by an educational system? so by your logic you are conquered by the west. again you have no leg stand on, your justifications are all nothing more than desperate attempts.

So what is your problem with a Hindu?

[Tjanaparh]

People please take a breath.

I would like to notice that to many sentiments entered already the discussion, lets take the focus in an other direction.
First of all, I think it is worth to hear anyones oppinion , please avoid to label people as fool or anything, and generally lets avoid labeling in the discussion.


Personally me I would like to refer to Khushal, as he mentioned me in his posting.
My a bit desparate posting I should concretize as a personal point of view, it can besurely false, but I can give you an idea on how I see it.
Communism applied in the SU was an ideology, this ideology had some pure and really nice ideas as a base, and I am sure anybody here sees them as pue and good. The problem is that an idea is an idea.
Lets take an example:
The idea of being people equal, You can teach your son respect all the village kids as his own brothers , never to hide from them anything to see someones pain as if it is yours, so that the children would form a comunity where everybody is treated equal. You can but also impose your idea by taking away any individuality of the children and saying "from nowon you are all equal, and who doesn't follow this command will be beaten up".
An other idea, the protection of ethnic culture, You can explain the deepnes of your nations music to your child, explain and mmake him feel howdeep your nation developed lets say the play on Rubab and how much harmony you can find in it, and make him understand the deep difference to some lectircal music. You can also use this idea in an other way, simply prohibiting to your child the other music and hiding its existance from him.


The last two options were the ones actually used by SU, the ideas pure in root(perhaps not all bt many) were used as a mask but never as an aim to chieve. The spiritualit of the people was never seen as important while only materiality was recognized.

That evolved to the typical Homo soveticus of the 80-ies and the Homo postsoveticus with a complete lack on spirituality but a complete illness on material and pseudomystic matters on the other hand. That is the reason for Armenia or Tajikistan being like that. The late member of the SU, treated in the way described by the government for decades, was hating his own country, he was the biggest disbeliever in the ideas shown to him in the way i described quiet harmlessly, so he used simply the system for his own matters. With the time thi evolved in the typical postsoviet person who sees only material enrichment as important, whose luck is to eat muh and to fulfill his material desires, and who lives under a motto of "less you know, better you sleep".
That is the base of the problems of ex soviet republics, and it is really not easy to solve if you immagine that all I described was a base, bt a hude factor of the most negative influence from USA and Europe joined this way of thinking.