Moghul in Afghanistan

[torkham]

Babur was so enamoured with Kabul, he wanted to be buried there. And he was finally laid in Kabul, having died and being buried in Hind.

Bagh-e-Babur is a beautiful garden west of Kabul.

It's even reported his epitaph reads, 'if there is paradise on earth, this is it, this is it, this is it'.

Has any one been to the gardens?
Seen the epitaph, is it in Farsi or uzbeki?
Where are the descendants of the mughals in Afghanistan?

Please share.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

'if there is paradise on earth, this is it, this is it, this is it'.

I have heard that lines many times in Farsi.

Perhaps being spoken or in Bollywood movies.

But didn't know its from Kabul.

[Karachi]

Mughals had their love for Kabul, Kashmir and many other areas up north etc... they built many beautiful gardens there. The later Mughals also built many beautiful Gardens in Lahore and Delhi as well

[Karachi]

some mughal garden pics from north india/pakistan:







This is the most beautiful one in Kashmir:

[Catya Sher]

Right about Babur's famed love for Kabul, which he wrote about
at length in his Memoirs as LIKE a paradise.

But the actual quotation is from one of Shah Jahan's buildings
in Delhi. I have to remember WHICH one, but I think the Fort, probably.

The language is Persian, I am sure, as that was the court language
of the Moghuls.

As a matter of fact, my own family had a plaque with this inscription
by our front door when I was growing up....brought from the former
Moghul domain of Hindustan. I wish it would go back to Muslim Rule,
and SOON !

The most successful governors of Hindustan WERE the Muslims, by the way.

Look how it deteriorated drastically under the British, Nehru, Indira Gandhi,
all subsequent figures.

Moghul rulers never physically persecuted Hindus or Christians living in their territories.
But the persecution BY fanatical Hindus of modern Catholics is
a much-suppressed news story so that Catholics around the world
will be against Muslims, rather than against Hindus.

Think about the difference between a benign Moghul rule of
the subcontinent and the modern day disaster created by
secular Hindus. And others.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Right about Babur's famed love for Kabul, which he wrote about
at length in his Memoirs as LIKE a paradise.

But the actual quotation is from one of Shah Jahan's buildings
in Delhi. I have to remember WHICH one, but I think the Fort, probably.

The language is Persian, I am sure, as that was the court language
of the Moghuls.

As a matter of fact, my own family had a plaque with this inscription
by our front door when I was growing up....brought from the former
Moghul domain of Hindustan. I wish it would go back to Muslim Rule,
and SOON !

The most successful governors of Hindustan WERE the Muslims, by the way.

Look how it deteriorated drastically under the British, Nehru, Indira Gandhi,
all subsequent figures.

Moghul rulers never physically persecuted Hindus or Christians living in their territories.
But the persecution BY fanatical Hindus of modern Catholics is
a much-suppressed news story so that Catholics around the world
will be against Muslims, rather than against Hindus.

Think about the difference between a benign Moghul rule of
the subcontinent and the modern day disaster created by
secular Hindus. And others.

Great to see you back, Catya Sher.

[Catya Sher]

^ Thank you ! [Are you a new member ? What does that script say,
speaking of inscriptions - !]

I appreciate the kindness of mentioning that.
I will be looking in from time to time til the end of summer,
then maybe back more often when weather changes ]

Babur was born in Fergana, modern Uzbekistan.
He was mainly trying to recapture Samarkand, but
when he didn't succeed, he - by destiny apparently -
went to Afghanistan and the subcontinent.

A very cultivated person was he.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

^ Thank you ! [Are you a new member ? What does that script say,
speaking of inscriptions - !]

I appreciate the kindness of mentioning that.
I will be looking in from time to time til the end of summer,
then maybe back more often when weather changes ]

Babur was born in Fergana, modern Uzbekistan.
He was mainly trying to recapture Samarkand, but
when he didn't succeed, he - by destiny apparently -
went to Afghanistan and the subcontinent.

A very cultivated person was he.

You are welcome.

I am not a new member, infact I was one of the oldest members curently here.

My username says Hakim Khan Urguni.

And yes, I agree many of the Mughals were nice people and ruled fairly, especially Babur and Akbar.

[Ajwan]

maybe they're the urdu speakers in afghanistan

[JattApache]

Right about Babur's famed love for Kabul, which he wrote about
at length in his Memoirs as LIKE a paradise.

But the actual quotation is from one of Shah Jahan's buildings
in Delhi. I have to remember WHICH one, but I think the Fort, probably.

The language is Persian, I am sure, as that was the court language
of the Moghuls.

As a matter of fact, my own family had a plaque with this inscription
by our front door when I was growing up....brought from the former
Moghul domain of Hindustan. I wish it would go back to Muslim Rule,
and SOON !

The most successful governors of Hindustan WERE the Muslims, by the way.

Look how it deteriorated drastically under the British, Nehru, Indira Gandhi,
all subsequent figures.

Moghul rulers never physically persecuted Hindus or Christians living in their territories.
But the persecution BY fanatical Hindus of modern Catholics is
a much-suppressed news story so that Catholics around the world
will be against Muslims, rather than against Hindus.

Think about the difference between a benign Moghul rule of
the subcontinent and the modern day disaster created by
secular Hindus. And others.

What a joke.
India is a secular and democratic republic, so the majority will always rule india.

[Toramana]

Some broad generalizations here. It all looks very rosy when you study Babar's memoirs selectively. But there are things recorded in his memoirs that don't give a comfortable feeling e.g., at one place he mentions his soldiers informed him crops were ready to be harvested in Momand, Kurram, and other areas adjacent to Kabul inhabited by Pashtun/Afghan tribes---and that the tribes had lot of cattle---

As he tells us in his memoirs, Babar organized raids into these areas and plundered the folks killing indiscriminately. Probably, the worst massacre at the hands of Babar happened in Bajuar where he killed the whole lot and then celebrated the victory with feast of hashish and opium ---he frequently mentions his opium addiction in his memoirs.

[Toramana]

Last year, I wanted to go to Kabul. In the plan was also included a visit to Babar's mazar. One of my acquaintances advised not to go because there are many restrictions to be faced if you are from Pakistan. He narrated how he was not allowed to enter Babar's mazar by the security.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Some broad generalizations here. It all looks very rosy when you study Babar's memoirs selectively. But there are things recorded in his memoirs that don't give a comfortable feeling e.g., at one place he mentions his soldiers informed him crops were ready to be harvested in Momand, Kurram, and other areas adjacent to Kabul inhabited by Pashtun/Afghan tribes---and that the tribes had lot of cattle---

As he tells us in his memoirs, Babar organized raids into these areas and plundered the folks killing indiscriminately. Probably, the worst massacre at the hands of Babar happened in Bajuar where he killed the whole lot and then celebrated the victory with feast of hashish and opium ---he frequently mentions his opium addiction in his memoirs.

He also mentions about how he basically forced the Yusufzai tribe to give them one of their women and instead of respecting her, he ripped off her veil and ravaged her there, without nikkah.

Babur was a ****bag.

[JattApache]

Some broad generalizations here. It all looks very rosy when you study Babar's memoirs selectively. But there are things recorded in his memoirs that don't give a comfortable feeling e.g., at one place he mentions his soldiers informed him crops were ready to be harvested in Momand, Kurram, and other areas adjacent to Kabul inhabited by Pashtun/Afghan tribes---and that the tribes had lot of cattle---

As he tells us in his memoirs, Babar organized raids into these areas and plundered the folks killing indiscriminately. Probably, the worst massacre at the hands of Babar happened in Bajuar where he killed the whole lot and then celebrated the victory with feast of hashish and opium ---he frequently mentions his opium addiction in his memoirs.

Exactly, he also killed so many people in India, only people like catya sher can worship him.

[Toramana]

He also mentions about how he basically forced the Yusufzai tribe to give them one of their women and instead of respecting her, he ripped off her veil and ravaged her there, without nikkah.

Babur was a ****bag.

I don't know, may be. The rulers at that time usually did this thing.

But as for I have studied history, he first tried to subdue Yousafzais probably the most turbulent Pashtun tribe at that time. But failing he asked Bibi Mubaraks daughter of Malak Shah Mansur hand in marriage. It was kind of a political marriage to win over powerful Yousafzais to his side. Malak Shah Mansur accepted. So I think it was a proper marriage with nikah and not kind of rape.