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**Karpo** · 03-30-2012, 10:13 PM

We Pashtuns are no nationalists, we are Muslim first and always.

We are Bani Israel, and the Hadith of the Black Banners is about Pashtuns

**RevolutionThroughReason** · 03-31-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Karpo View Post

We Pashtuns are no nationalists, we are Muslim first and always.

We are Bani Israel, and the Hadith of the Black Banners is about Pashtuns

hahahahahaha where does it say the hadith about the black banners is about Pashtuns?

**JattApache** · 03-31-2012, 05:42 PM

Bani israel....

So according to you, pashtuns are jews ( like the israelis , killers of palestinians )
Omg

**Midnight_Sun** · 04-01-2012, 02:13 AM

Afghans are not Bani-Israel;

We are Bani-confederation of indo-iranic tribes that migrated to this region in the past 10,000 years and amalgamated with each other at various times. We are Muslim, yes, but not semites. We are made up of Indo-European, Saka, Kitharite, Ephtalite, Turk, Persian, Indian, and Kushan.

Most importantly, we did not embrace Islam as easy as you think. Just like today we don't want to embrace Western modernity. We fought the Arabs and Turks who tried to push Islam as our religion. It took them nearly two hundred years to convert all of us.

As much as you white-wash Afghan history, there was history before Turks converted us Afghans to Islam. Don't be embarrassed by it, embrace it and make yourself a better person from it.

**RevolutionThroughReason** · 04-01-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Midnight_Sun View Post

Afghans are not Bani-Israel;

We are Bani-confederation of indo-iranic tribes that migrated to this region in the past 10,000 years and amalgamated with each other at various times. We are Muslim, yes, but not semites. We are made up of Indo-European, Saka, Kitharite, Ephtalite, Turk, Persian, Indian, and Kushan.

Most importantly, we did not embrace Islam as easy as you think. Just like today we don't want to embrace Western modernity. We fought the Arabs and Turks who tried to push Islam as our religion. It took them nearly two hundred years to convert all of us.

As much as you white-wash Afghan history, there was history before Turks converted us Afghans to Islam. Don't be embarrassed by it, embrace it and make yourself a better person from it.

Glad you say this; but similarly I hope you're not someone who supports and equally ludicrous theory that Pashtuns and Pashto are 5000 years old and that the Bactrians, Gandharans etc etc were Pashtun.

**Karachi** · 04-01-2012, 01:21 PM

pashtun as a whole are not (bani Israel) but one has to wonder where ancient jewish traditions came from? also the ancient 2300 year hebrew stones found in afghanistan and KP?

I think perhaps may by some of Israels lost tribes did come in to this region and they may be left their cultural impact on the region. Genetically perhaps they didn't mix enough to leave any genetic impact. I think one of the interesting people to study would the Afghan Jews that use to live there, or the Peshawar jews.

**Marxist** · 04-05-2012, 10:05 AM

I have always suspected that this entire Bani Israel origin myth is a way to claim a "previous monotheism", a way to claim an Islamic / Abrahamic history prior to subjugation and acceptance of Islam.

Sure there seem to be some archaeological evidence of a Jewish presence but this still begs the questions:

(1) where these "Jews" actually Israelite or just people that followed the Jewish faith? Historically, the two were not necessarily synonymous

(2) what was the mass of this population? Was it large, and left an impact on Pashtun genes, or was it small and is largely irrelevant? Was it a case of Jews being the ancestors of Pashtuns or of a number of Jews living among the population that became Pashtuns? In any case, Semetic haplogroups which are very common among modern persians for example, are negligible among Pashtuns.

And like I said before, this is just a crafty way of claiming a "previous Abrahamic monotheism" to underplay the Zoroastrian and Buddhist roots of our ancestors.

**Marxist** · 04-05-2012, 01:09 PM