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^ lol, so do you consider yourself a white nationalist? why dont you join Stormfront and see what your white brothers think of you there
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who said pashtuns are Indians? please quote me where I said that. stop making up stuff.Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
your knowledge of genetics and history is almost nothing, so no point in discussing this with you.
Pashtuns are most related to their immediate neighbors like Tajiks, Kalash/Nuristani, Baloch etc..
follwed by Kashmiries, North/West Indians, Iranians etc...
^ so far all genetic tests are showing that, because geography is a key in one's genetics.
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The fact is your not an Aryan. Pashtuns are part of the global white peoples, and culture that is respected by all Whites as the remaining Eastern Aryan left.Originally posted by Karachi View Post
Yes, There Is a Base in Afghanistan Named "Aryan," and It Is Spelled "Aryan
When it came to light earlier this week that our military has a base named "Aryan" in Afghanistan, the DoD was quick to come up with excuses to explain it away. They claimed that it was the Afghan National Army, and not our military, who named the base; that it was spelled Arian, not Aryan; and that Arian is just a variation of Ariana, the ancient name of the region that includes Afghanistan.
Alachua Commentator wrote :
"The author has allowed her emotional reaction to a term in a foreign language and foreign culture to tip her ignorance of Afghan placenames, culture and transliteration. First of all, whether it was spelled "Arian" or "Aryan" the text would appear the same in Persian or Pashto script (اریان). Next, as others have pointed out, the name does belong to the ancient people of south-central asia in a broad swath from Iran (whose name means "The Arya" or "Aryan" - it's native plural) to the Ganga valley. Finally, within Afghanistan, Aryan has a cultural resonance as favorable as the Swastika symbol in Hindu culture. It is likely that the US forces absorbed an existing placename similar to the way they named FOB Sharana, Orgun, Asadabad, Shindand, etc. and didn't deliberately look to offend Ms. Rodda. I would suggest she stick to topics within her area of expertise, whatever that is"
little princess wrote : "The most dominant surviving Eastern Iranian peoples are represented by the Pashtuns, whose origins are generally believed to be from the Suleiman mountains in the Balochistan province of Pakistan .... The Pashto language shows affinities to the Avestan and Bactrian. "
Chris Rodda: Yes, There Is a Base in Afghanistan Named "Aryan," and It Is Spelled "Aryan"
Aryan Phenotype
..Aryans from Afghanistan which show the continuity and that Eastnordid influence is present in the region and most likely Nordids participated in the formation of certain Irano-Afghan/Nordindid types:..The Aryan expansion into India was mostly done by such people after a stable ethnic group was established in the North..East Cro-Magnids (Kurgan and related) are accepted by most Indo-European scholars and archaeologists and anthropologists as the Proto-Indo-Europeans. But there is of course the much smaller anti-Kurgan school which claims that Anatolian farmers were them. This is generally tolerated as weak opposition with some hints of the humorous and absurd.
Aryan Phenotypes | DODONA: Human Biodiversity Discussion Forum
Stormfront & Dr David Duke's view is "whites should defend their territory regardless of location" and has acknowledged, the lower casts invaded white nations historically destroying their culture. Further more most whites and scholastic whites agree, Muslims or White Muslims are not attempting to take over European Governments, financial institutions, scholastic
positions, unlike the lower cast races that inject venom into societies.
You may have already read that hence your denial of the Aryan race, peoples, culture.Quod Erat DemonstrandumComment
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using deluded storm front white trash meth head reasoning doesn't exactly reinforce your argument.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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Its not all that bad, polish a white trash meth head, rehabilitation, recreation re-create, harmless people.Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
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The following may or may not be a true representation of Pashtun's as a majority or "pure", FYI.
Pashtun vs Indic R1a1a
..(DYS389I-13, DYS389 II-17, DYS390-25, DYS391-11,
DYS392-11, DYS393-13 and DYS19-16), they observe that the russians and balkans reported by klyosov have similar loci and age estimates as Pashtuns.
A Genetic Genealogy Community • View topic - Pashtun vs Indic R1a1a
The more central problem, say Khan and other Pashtuns, is biocolonialism. "The only people who should be doing this are groups that have Pashtun permission," Khan says. "Pashtuns aren't afraid of a DNA test - we just want to do it under our own auspices.
Gene Watch Page
European Journal of Human Genetics - Figure 2 for article: Afghanistan from a Y-chromosome perspective
Afghan-Pakistani DNA Project - Y-DNA SNP
..The major branch points on our shared paternal lineage trace back through genealogy, history, antiquity, and ancient anthropology to reach our early hominid ancestors who lived in Africa. Recent (terminal) branches may be as recent as ten generations old or several thousand years. Thus, they are an established way to trace the migrations of human populations from the earliest times to the present. The branches on the paternal tree are haplogroups. SNP markers on the Y-Chromosome define them. This page displays Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP results for the project. It shows Y-DNA haplogroups and all SNP results both positive (derived) and negative (ancestral). A plus, +, sign denotes positive results. A negative, -, sign denotes negative results. You may learn more about Y-Chromosome SNPs on the Understanding Y-DNA SNP Results learning page.
Family Tree DNA - Afghan-Pakistani DNA Project
Above showed R1A and B though B is rare IN pashtun communities.
Understanding results
Family Tree DNA - FAQ Answers
..We have this pattern in Arabia, southern Iran(I think) and India, but not in Afghans.
..soulblighter wrote:If the R1a1 in Pashtun samples is from Khazars, then it should be distinct from the Indian samples. If this is not the case, the conclusion in the paper is obviously wrong. I did not think that R1a1 was common place in Iran, unless all Pashtun R1a1 is founder effect, there should be SNP and STR distinction with the Indic samples. The focus of the paper as I read it, does not seem to be Ashkenazim centric, but Afghan centric.I would just ignore the conclusions of this paper. They clearly have no idea what they are talking about. On the other hand it would be interesting to know if Pashtun R1a also tends to be Z93+,L342.2+ and L657+.
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R1a Haplotypes Along the Ancient Migration Path from South Siberia to Europe
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R1a1 Haploytypes in Central Asia
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(Underhill et al, 2009; Zhong et al, 2010; Shoul et al, 2010. Analysis of those haplotypes and the chronology of their common ancestors have been undertaken by the authors of these studies.
..The results of this study lend a support to the theory that haplogroup R1A arose in Central Asia, apparently in South Siberia around 20,000 years before present. ....no later than 12,000 ybp they were in Hindustan, continued .. Asia Minor...The arrival of R1a1 in Europe might be marked by known arcaelogical cultures in the Balkans and Central/Eastern Europe,dated back 9,000 ybp.Yet they also can be attributed to other ancient haplogroups, such as I, J, E, G....
..r1a1 migrated (or moved as military expeditions) to the south, east, and south-east as the historic Aryans. As a result Iran, India, beyond Ural mountains, south siberia, linguist find family of languages. They all have the same Aryan roots. They founded common horse breeding terminology and shared essentially the same vocabulary for household items..."although sometimes twisted due to "human factor" as found in India...
..There are some (rarely) situations that by chance a subclade is "pure" (or almost pure), that is contains only one branch, then the modal can accidentally be that base haplotype. However, it is unpredictable, and typically not so.
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Afghanistan to India
Indo-Scythian Kingdom, Azes I, c. 58 - 12 B.C.
Senior identifies Azes as Maues successor in the Taxila area, and then later also as the successor of Azilises in Hazara. With Azes victory over the Indo-Greek King Hippostratos, the Indo-Scythian Kingdom took control of northwestern India.
Coins of ancient Afghanistan
These ten silver Greco-Bactrian coins are part of the nearly 2,000 silver and gold coins recovered in a National Geographic project. The coins are among the many Afghan museum artifacts saved from 25 years of war and political upheaval.
From the famous Kunduz hoard in northern Afghanistan, the coins make up a virtual portrait gallery of the kings, starting with rulers in the fifth century B.C.
Coin of Euthydemus I, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c. 223 BCE - c.200 BCE), ruler of Bactria, Sogdiana, Ferghana, Arachosia.
Coin of Euthydemus II, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c. 223 BCE - c.200 BCE) and (c.180 BCE), ruler of Bactria
Coin of Antimachus I, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c.185 BCE - c. 170 BCE), ruler of Bactria, Paropamisadae, Arachosia
Coin of Eucratides I, The most powerful of the Greco-Bactrian rulers (c.170 BCE - c. 145 BCE), ruler of Bactria, Sogdiana, Paropamisadae, Arachosia and Gandhara
Coin of Eucratides I, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c.170 BCE - c. 145 BCE), ruler of Bactria, Sogdiana, Paropamisadae, Arachosia and Gandhara
Coin of Plato, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c. 166 BCE), ruler of of Bactria and Sogdiana
Coin of Eucratides II, Greco-Bactrian ruler (c.145 BCE - c. 140 BCE), ruler of Bactria and Sogdiana
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Many human populations that settled in Central Asia demonstrate an array of mixed anthropological features of East Eurasians (EEA) and West Eurasians (WEA), indi- cating a possible scenario of biological admixture between already differentiated EEA and WEA populations.
http://www.picb.ac.cn/picb-dynamic/a...hua-%20G&I.pdf
Modern genetic data combined with appropriate statistical methods have the potential to contribute substantially to our understanding of human history. We have developed an approach that exploits the genomic structure of admixed populations to date and characterize historical mixture events at fine scales. We used this to produce an atlas of worldwide human admixture history, constructed by using genetic data alone and encompassing over 100 events occurring over the past 4000 years. We identified events whose dates and participants suggest they describe genetic impacts of the Mongol empire, Arab slave trade, Bantu expansion, first millennium CE migrations in Eastern Europe, and European colonialism, as well as unrecorded events, revealing admixture to be an almost universal force shaping human populations.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6172/747.abstract
Another mixing event is the injection of European-type DNA into the Kalash, a people of Pakistan, at some time between 990 and 210 B.C. This could reflect the invasion of India by Alexander the Great in 326 B.C. The Kalash claim to be descended from Alexander’s soldiers, as do several other groups in the region.... Having sampled genomes from around the world, they find they can detect some 95 distinguishable populations.
..One of the most widespread events his group has detected is the injection of Mongol ancestry into populations within the Mongol empire, such as the Hazara of Afghanistan and the Uighur Turks of Central Asia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/sc...ents.html?_r=0
Ignor the part that says Paki, the people from Nooristan-Kalash reside and are surrounded by Pashtuns not Punjabs or Sindhis.
Sad but true, Aryans were peaceful developed ancient societies, Persia, Rome, Etc... then the above occurred, now fully evident in modern science a little late but know your history.
The invasion on none Aryan races in areas which were primary Aryan-western and eastern are now proven by genetic science.Quod Erat DemonstrandumComment
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Originally posted by Apollyon View Post
This is just something I share to all people, to know what true power is.
Anyway.
Thus I agree with most of your knowledge about this, but remember. There is a huge different between Pashtuns and now today's "Europeans", "white" Americans. And watch out specially from their propaganda in history about ancients civilisations etc. For example SUSA Civilisation is older than sumers, even though western power propaganda doesn't teach it out internationally, nor do does they talk about older civilisations about Chinese, that dates back 5000-8000 BC. They always put Greece and Europe, US in first line to look better, in fact their savagery is worse than Mongols-Turks and Arabs.To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.Comment
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According to the study above and many below, Afghan Pashtuns are closest's to Middle Eurapoids-Eurapeans #3,8,9 and eastern Azeri.
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Still wrooora. This is western based experiment. I don't say don't bring it up, but I am just saying be cautious. Believe in half what you see and none of what you hear.Originally posted by Apollyon View Post
According to the study above and many below, Afghan Pashtuns are closest's to Middle Eurapoids-Eurapeans #3,8,9 and eastern Azeri.
Just keeping it real.
I for one, studies genetics and epigenetic, haven't made a huge and large DNA experiment yet. I don't have the power nor the people to do so. But Inshallah in the future, when Pashtunistan/Afghanistan is stabilize and under Pashtun patriotic control, we can make these experiment about origins, DNA and have good policy's that ensure health and quality of our air, soil, wilderness and people.
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Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
Best luck with your adventures and scientific research Iinshallah. The results from my dna confirm the above, Eastern European as did my other family members. I agree you have to use caution and absolutely dissect any research paper from India or Pakistan which attempts to thwart science history and steal from out ancient traditions and take credit where not due.Quod Erat DemonstrandumComment
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x THE LAND AND THE PEOPLE 13 degrees the traders became conquerors and adminis- trators. Among them were explorers and surveyors, chief of whom was Major Rennell, " the Father of English Geography ". Commencing operations with a survey of the Ganges Valley in 1764, in due course Rennell extended his surveys to the great boundary range which he named the Tartarian Mountains, now known as the Himalayas. His successors gradually surveyed the plains of India, and as they progressed northwards they realized that India was protected by gigantic mountain barriers. That on the north-east, consisting of densely wooded mountain ranges with deep lateral valleys, con- stituted an impassable barrier against invading armies, while farther north the barren, frozen plateaux of Tibet constituted an equally impregnable defence, as did the lofty mountains of Kashmir. It was only on the extreme north-west that there was any break in this titanic chain of natural defences to India. Here, north of Chitral, commences the famous North- West Frontier of India, and here it is that its Land-Gates are situated. The People. The inhabitants of Afghanistan include Afghans, Persians, Turks, including the Uzbegs of the Oxus Valley, Mongolians and Aryans of the Hindu Kush. Considerable intermixture has taken place but yet each race possesses outstanding features. The Afghan nomads organized on a tribal system, whose true national name is Pashtun or Pakhtun, generally termed " Pathan " by Europeans, belong to the Turko- Iranian type, with an admixture of Indian blood among the tribes bordering on the frontiers of India. A protest must here be made against the erroneous view that the Afghans are members of the lost tribes of Israel, which various writers, including Bellew and Holdich, advocated. Actually this theory is of purely literary origin and is merely an example of the widespread custom among Moslems of claiming descent from some personage mentioned in the Koran or other sacred work. In the case of the Afghans, they claim Malik Talut or King Saul as their ancestor. Among the reasons advanced
AFGHANISTAN AND THE ANGLO-RUSSIAN DISPUTE AN ACCOUNT OF RUSSIA'S ADVANCE TOWARD INDIA, BASED UPON THE REPORTS AND EXPERIENCES OF RUSSIAN, GERMAN, AND BRITISH OFFICERS AND TRAVELLERS; WITH A DESCRIPTION OF AFGHANISTAN AND OF THE MILITARY RESOURCES OF THE POWERS CONCERNED BY THEO. F. RODENBOUGH BVT. BRIGADIER GENERAL, U.S.A.
German president with Afghan king
Alexander himself took a nonwhite wife, a Persian princess who was of mixed race. He also started dressing like the peoples he had conquered, and in 324 BC at a city called Susa he personally officiated at an arranged mass wedding of nine thousand of his senior army officers to Middle Eastern wives—the famous “marriage of East and West” meant to symbolize the new racial unity he was hoping to create.
MARCH OF THE TITANS - A HISTORY OF THE WHITE RACE CHAPTER 5 : THE INDO-EUROPEAN INVASIONS
Most modern day Whites are to the greatest part, either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5000 BC till around 500 BC - these peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia (hence Whites are often today called Caucasians - after the Caucasus mountains which are situated in the southern reaches of that country). It is still unknown precisely what caused these Indo-European peoples to start migrating. Recent research indicates that the flooding of the Black Sea basin from the Mediterranean - established as a factual occurrence around 5600 BC - was the probable cause of the first great movements, and the time scale would certainly fit. Meltwaters from the retreating icesheets at the end of the Pleistocene caused the world's oceans to rise by almost 100 meters. In 5600 BC, the rising waters of the Mediterranean Sea burst through the narrow neck of the Bosporus, inundating and destroying the civilizations ringing the fertile Black Sea basin. It is this catastrophe which triggered the great Indo-European migrations and spawned the Bibical legend of the flood, familiar to adherents of the Christian faith. With the aid of the horse, the first Indo-Europeans moved in all directions, disrupting the slow but steady pace of development everywhere they went. Large numbers settled in northern Europe, staying there till they later began again to move south; others moved off to the Middle and Near East, while others ventured west, crossing into Britain and Spain. Leaving the Black Sea Basin, the Nordic Indo-European peoples invaded Europe and Asia. Europe was settled by four main groups: the Celts, the Germans, the Balts and the Slavs. In the south they settled pre-dynastic Egypt and the Middle East,
penetrating India (the Indo-Aryans); Afghanistan (the Aryans); China (the Tocharians) and Japan (the Ainu) - See chapter six. The difference between the western and eastern migrations of the Indo-Europeans was that in the west they mixed with genetically similar populations - while in the east they mixed with, and were eventually submerged by, genetically dissimilar peoples.
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..In the current article on the Pathans, an assumption is made, alluded to within the title itself, that Alexander the Great was Greek. What the authors say that is helpful to understanding ancient population movements is that the Pathan population of Pakistan has a tradition of descent from members of Alexander the Great's army, which appears to be borne out also by the genetic evidence for a strong presence of E3b1 (alpha presumed) - M78 among the Pathan male population.
The problem, obviously, is with the misidentification of Alexander as a Greek rather than a Macedonian by these researchers. If they had stated that the Pathan population of Pakistan had been descended from Macedonians who accompanied Alexander, I believe that they would have hit the mark.
Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups
European Journal of Human Genetics
only the Pathans seem to be closer to the Greeks, and not the pagan Kalash and the Burusho.
..Clade E3b1 lineages, which were frequent in the Greeks but not in Pakistan, were nevertheless observed in two Pathan individuals, one of whom shared a 16 Y-STR haplotype with the Greeks.
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The Russian Journal of Genetic Genealogy : Vol 2 , No 1 , 20 1 1
The origin of the Pashtuns
According to the cultural tradition Pathan have origins from Jews. But as will be shown below this tradition is irrelevant to the Pashtun Y - haplogroups, which generally are of non - Middle Eastern origin.
Among the potential ancestors of the Pashtuns with haplogroup R 1a1a may include: 1. Indo-Aryans who invaded India through Afghanistan.
Northern Afghan 50, R1A1, Southern Afghan 66,6
it should be noted that most of the Southern Pashtuns belong to two tribal unions: Durrani (derived from the first son of Pathan) and Ghilzai (derived from the second son of Pathan). Durrani live i n western and southwestern Afghanistan; Ghilzai live in the south and south - eastern Afghanistan
http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGG/article/view/106/121
http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGG/issue/view/14
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